So Elladan and Elrohir became Mortal ?

[EG]

Elrond chose to be of Elven kind and became a master of wisdom. To him therefore was granted the same grace as to those of the High Elves that still lingered in Middle Earth: that when weary at last of the mortal lands they could take ship from the Grey Havens and pass into the uttermost West; and this grace continued after the change of the world. But to the children of Elrond a choice was also appointed: to pass with him from the circles of the world; or if they remained to become mortal and die in Middle earth.

RoTK Appendix A 

... and Elladan and Elrohir we know stayed in ME at least for a little while, dwelling in Rivendell..... so by making the choice not to sail with Elrond, they became mortal .....

[Lessa]

as far as I can remember they never made that choice. Just because teh ships went to the undying lands without them doesn't mean they had made the choice to be mortal. Most of the Eldar left but there were other elves who were in ME.

[Taurendil]

I think to pass with him here means just to sail into the west in whatever time and not to remain. Indeed I suppose a lot of elves sailed into the west after Elrond's departure.

[EG]

you really think that the Valor would have allowed them endless time to decide   so that they could, at the very last minute opted to jump on the boat, just when it looked like their life force was fading ? 

Surely, they would have had to make a decision before then...

and as the passage said, for THEM, not any elves, but Elrond's children..

But to the children of Elrond a choice was also appointed: to pass with him from the circles of the world; or if they remained to become mortal and die in Middle earth.

its quite clear .........

[Taurendil]

Do you have any suggestions? I see now I have been wrong

[EG]

Im not sure, to be honest .  In some ways it would be nice to think they met and married humans ,,,,

and I do wonder too... whether it meant that they could choose to pass with him, just not at the same time

[Athelas]

  I don't read that passsage to mean that Elrond's sons HAD to leave ME with him to remain immortal - after all, ships sailed for the undying lands for at least 120 years after the start of the 4th Age (when Gimli and Legolas sailed), and maybe longer - we just don't know. The E&E brothers may have just decided to hang around a while longer in ME after dad took off to help mop up. They would've been the highest ranking elves left in ME, and that might have been an attraction, too (after all, they WERE part human!)

[EG]

but when did they make their choice ?  Its quite clear they had to make one!

[Lessa]

I don't think there is a time limit on when the half elven have to decide only that if they choose to be mortal it is permanent. Until then they are counted as immortal

[EG]

if thats true, why then did Arwen have to choose ?  Why couldnt she have remained as she was and left ME after Aragorn's death ?  Why did she have to choose then ?

[Taurendil]

I feel we again return to the undecided question of Arwen's departure. Here's the quote

[Aragorn:]"I speak no comfort to you, for there is no comfort for such pain within the circles of the world. The uttermost choice is before you: to repent and go to the Havens and bear away into the West the memory of our days together that shall there be evergreen but never more than memory; or else to abide the Doom of Men."
 "Nay, dear lord," she[Arwen] said, "that choice is long over. There is now no snip that would bear the hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence. But I say to you, King of the Númenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive."

Perhaps this deserves to be a new thread

[Mithrandir]

OK, I just read Wikipedia, and it says this:

'Since they are explicitly described as remaining in Rivendell for a time after their father's departure, some fans speculated that they had also chosen mortality. However, J. R. R. Tolkien himself noted that the twins were allowed to "delay" their choices.'

[EG]

yes, Letter 153 : "Elrond passes Over Sea. The end of his sons, Elladan and Elrohir, is not told: they delay their choice, and remain for a while."

but for how long ?

[Lessa]

Ah now there is the eternal question!! I have no idea for how long they remained in ME or whether they chose to be mortal or immortal

EG Arwen chose of her own free will there was no coercion.

[Taurendil]

In my opinion, more interesting and important in this matter is the question why a choice for them was also appointed. Why only to the sons of Elrond and not to all other Elves?

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