So Elladan and Elrohir became Mortal ?

[EG]

Because they were half elven.. the choice to be man or elf in destiny..

In the primary story of Lúthien and Beren, Luthien is allowed as an absolute exception to divest herself of 'immonality' and become 'mortal' — but when Beren is slain by the Wolf-warden of the Gates of Hell, Lúthien obtains a brief respite in which they both return to Middle-earth 'alive' – though not mingling with other people : a kind of Orpheus-legend in reverse, but one of Pity not of Inexorability. Túor weds Idril the daughter of Turgon King of Gondolin; and 'it is supposed' (not stated) that he as an unique exception receives the Elvish limited 'immortality': an exception either way. Eärendil is Túor's son & father of Elros (First King of Númenor) and Elrond, their mother being Elwing daughter of Dior, son of Beren and Lúthien: so the problem of the Half-elven becomes united in one line. The view is that the Half-elven have a power of (irrevocable) choice, which may be delayed but not permanently, which kin's fate they will share. Elros chose to be a King and 'longaevus' but mortal, so all his descendants are mortal, and of a specially noble race, but with dwindling longevity: so Aragorn (who, however, has a greater life-span than his contemporaries, double, though not the original Númenórean treble, that of Men). Elrond chose to be among the Elves. His children – with a renewed Elvish strain, since their mother was Celebrían dtr. of Galadriel – have to make their choices. Arwen is not a 're-incarnation' of Lúthien (that in the view of this mythical history would be impossible, since Lúthien has died like a mortal and left the world of time) but a descendant very like her in looks, character, and fate. When she weds Aragorn (whose love-story elsewhere recounted is not here central and only occasionally referred to) she 'makes the choice of Lúthien', so the grief at her parting from Elrond is specially poignant. Elrond passes Over Sea. The end of his sons, Elladan and Elrohir, is not told: they delay their choice, and remain for a while.

Letter 153

Yes Lessa, she made the choice of her own free will ...  but only because she HAD to make a choice .... What I dont understand is why she had to make it then.. because she married a mortal I guess

[Lessa]

it wasn't just the sonds of elrond it was all half elven who had the choice to follow their elf ancestry or their human ancestry.

[Rowiel the Elven Maiden]

this is very interesting indeed... well as stated before i think that yes she had to choose bacause she chose to wed a mortal kng, even tough he was of the line of numeron... if i remeber correctly, wehn aragon died, she passed away among the trees of lothlorien, which by that time was empty of elves, thus she died among the trees of that fiar land if i am not mistaken...

[Taurendil]

So Arwen, Elrohir and Elladan were counted among half-elven? But then returning to the main question I'm inclined to think that Elrohir and Elladan did remain immortal, since it is said they remained only for a while.

[EG]

remain for a while, before they died tho ?

its so ambigious isnt it!

[Taurendil]

I think if they remained and died Tolkien would have written something like 'remained in Middle-earth'.

But since he says their 'end is not told' it could be whatever way. Both opportunities are equal and probable

[Rowiel the Elven Maiden]

i have to agree with you here... he usually does write a song about an event... failing to do so in this case makes both ways possible i guess

[lotr_lukyfer]

Actually, they were completely human.  Edain and Eldar are simply subspecies of the same species, together with hobbits and dwarves.

[Lessa]

they are Arwen's brother's, so if she was allowed to choose why on earth wouldn't they be

[EG]

Actually, they were completely human.  Edain and Eldar are simply subspecies of the same species, together with hobbits and dwarves.

no they werent!  they were half-elven,

see my earlier post quoting Tolkien's letter 153 :

Elrond chose to be among the Elves. His children – with a renewed Elvish strain, since their mother was Celebrían dtr. of Galadriel – have to make their choices

[Theo]

  My trusty handbook (the Complete Guide to Middle-earth by Robert Foster) says that because they did not go over Sea with their father that they seem to have chosen mortality..

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