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« : October 21, 2007, 12:25:44 AM »

Is it just my forgetfulness but was there any present for Boromir in Lothlorien in the movie? I seem to remember there was a belt with runes(or leaves?) for him in the books but I can't recollect any such thing in the film :(

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« #1 : October 21, 2007, 04:45:06 PM »

There is no gift for Boromir in Lothlórien in the films. As you rightly said, in the book Boromir is given a belt of gold; but in the films there is no clip, mention or reference to Boromir's gift.

The reason for this, I believe, is that all the other gifts to the characters had further uses in the books and films (the only one which isn't used is the strands of Galadriel's hair to Gimli which is important in terms of character development). The gift was not really used in the books, and certainly in the short space from receiving the gift to his death in the films (which is about half an hour?) we would not have been able to see significant use of it.

To be honest, it wasn't until the third or fourth time of watching the films that I noticed that Boromir was not given his gift. In the book, as all the characters are listed with their gifts, it would've been much easier for the reader to notice that Boromir did not receive a gift.


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« #2 : October 21, 2007, 07:44:53 PM »

Yeah, it takes time to notice that.  Aragorn didn't get his gift too, though it was explained why, and yet in the book he received a sheath for Anduril (We don't see him make any significant use of his dagger given him by Celeborn also, as far as I remember).
Nevertheless I think they could have found time for Boromir receiving his belt in the movie. It'd simply be more just, he wasn't bad after all. Even though there was no significance of the belt it does not mean there's no reason for showing it. Why, I think Pippin, Merry and Legolas would have done well with their original weapons as well as with their new ones at least we don't see much change with them. So it makes me feel Boromir was just missed out ???

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« #3 : October 22, 2007, 07:50:59 PM »

Well, I think it would've been seen as a bit pointless. After all, in the films we see Legolas use his bow frequently, and the daggers and belts come into importance when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are tracking Pippin and Merry. I really think it was just something seen as unnecessary.


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« #4 : October 22, 2007, 08:08:22 PM »

weren't they all given cloaks in the books? yet you don't see these being given to any of them


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« #5 : October 23, 2007, 12:26:56 AM »

Actually, you do; you see them all receiving the cloaks. Celeborn says, "Never before have we clad strangers in the garb of our own people. May these cloaks help shield you from unfriendly eyes."


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« #6 : October 23, 2007, 08:56:39 PM »

sorry I forgot about that ::) :[


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« #7 : October 24, 2007, 11:56:47 PM »

Well, I think it would've been seen as a bit pointless. After all, in the films we see Legolas use his bow frequently, and the daggers and belts come into importance when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are tracking Pippin and Merry. I really think it was just something seen as unnecessary.

Well, they do use them, however not in the way Frodo uses his gift, which was of topmost importance. It's a matter of opinion though, so personally I feel it'd have been better if Boromir's gift was also in the movie.

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« #8 : October 25, 2007, 09:44:43 PM »

Well, I think it would've been seen as a bit pointless. After all, in the films we see Legolas use his bow frequently, and the daggers and belts come into importance when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are tracking Pippin and Merry. I really think it was just something seen as unnecessary.

Well, they do use them, however not in the way Frodo uses his gift, which was of topmost importance. It's a matter of opinion though, so personally I feel it'd have been better if Boromir's gift was also in the movie.


I have to disagree, as far as I know - unlike all the other gifts - there is no further mention of Boromir's gift in the books which in itself indicates the importance Tolkien placed on it. Indeed, the only thing I can find on Boromir's gift was, "...and she turned then to Boromir, and to him she gave a belt of gold;".

I don't want to be seen as trivialising the issue, but that is only 15 words in a book full of half a million. Tolkien clearly did not place much significance on the gift, and neither did the film - indeed, the gift provided not plot thread for the continuation of the story and would just have been a waste of the time constraints of the film which were already greatly strained!

I think we should distinguish the films from the book and just because the films change something from the books doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing.


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« #9 : October 26, 2007, 01:11:02 AM »

When saying 'they do use them' I meant Pippin, Merry and Legolas, not Boromir. The thing is we don't see that they use the very arms given to them in Lothlorien. It makes no difference whether they use their gifts or other weapons(well it does, but again we don't see these weapons make any 'miracles' so to speak).
I agree that it would take precious time of the film, I just think it wouldn't have been redundant if they included it. It'd have been logical.
As a matter of fact the belt is mentioned further in the book, however as you rightly observed it didn't make any contribution to the plot. The Two Towers. Chapter V. The Window on the West:
'A broken sword was on his knee. I saw many wounds on him. It was Boromir, my brother, dead. I knew his gear, his sword, his beloved face. One thing only I missed: his horn. One thing only I knew not: a fair belt, as it were of linked golden leaves, about his waist....'

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« #10 : October 26, 2007, 08:56:24 PM »

I did contribute in a small way in the book as it was the detail along with the horn that convinced Faramir that Sam and Frodo did indeed know Boromir.


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