The Entwives were in the Books all the time?

[EG]

A member of the Tolkien board Minas Tirith claims in the thread "I Found the Entwives!" to have found them. He has not revealed exactly where in LOTR he found them, but he has given several hints. But only one other member, Ararana, has managed to find what Teleporno is hinting at, or so she says. There is a common belief among the other members that this discovery is a hoax.

Teleporno

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I found the Entwives!

At least I think so. In my nineteenth rereading of the The Two Towers, I found 'em, right there. Tolkien answered his own riddle.

Now I understand why he was so cagey in his letters about them. He wanted readers to discover the answer to his riddle.

Can you find the Entwives?

I'll come back within the week with quotes so you can see for yourself whether I'm right.

PS -- Is Christopher Tolkien alive? It seems like I read his obituary, but I can't find any evidience of his death on the Net. I'd like to write him. 

Hey, okay, I'm short on time -- a hasty mortal. But they're in the second half of The Two Towers.

I'm considering not revealing it since I can hardly believe that nobody's noticed them in the fifty years of publication of these books! Of ocurse my "evidence" is subjective. Tolkien does not say "here are the Entwives." But he does, I think, make a very deliberate joke.

I wanna at least get honorary membership in the Tolkien Society for this one...

Teleporno
"eves of grass" 

I'm in the process of corresponding with The Tolkien Society about my discovery. I'll list the chapter when they reply to me.

I decided it is such a pleasant little mystery that to detail it all would be to spoil it for you, sort of like answering a riddle you should figure out yourself.

It also, to me, now means I must reread the books all over yet again (no pain there!) to see how many other hidden things the Professor put in there.

The TS webpage says they usually respond within several days, but it may take longer.


I checked out all the links posted above and none of them come close to my apparent discovery. 

I'm now doubly worried about the Nazgûl finding the remaining Entwives and scorching them.

Congratulations, you've made a compelling argument to NOT post my discovery here.

And true enough to my word, I have already narrowed it down sufficiently that careful readers should be able to find them now that they suspect they're there.

Where?

Goodbye.

Sincerely,
Teleporno 

Wow, I come back after a year and my little thread about the Entwives is still kicking.

Tolkien Society people tell me to publish a paper on the idea. As if.

It's a joke I'm sure some of Tolkien's cronies got, especially his cloistered academic friends parodied (and ennobled) by the Ents. Think of British women in the early 20th century...Suffragists...women who wouldn't put up with foolish, boorish men...

Read The Two Towers and closely note clusters of words.

I can't say anymore and keep the joke secret. It's there. I'm certain. 

Ararana

Holy ****! ok I dont really think any of you are going to believe me, becuase well, how many of you really believed Teleporno? I didnt, but the thought of finding the Entwives in the back of my head drove me crazy and before I knew it I was reading TTT, over and over again. And YES its right there! Tolkien has a good sense of humor! its so a deliberate joke. Its like tolkien is saying "Duh, there right here, were the blazes did you think they'd be!".

And hats off to Teleporno for not revealing their location. It is so rewarding to find them on your own like this, for any hardcore tolkien fan. Come on guys your so close to finding them! Teleporno gave you enough clues. just piece it together like a puzzle.

And yeah, I dont think the Nazgul had anything to do with the disappearance of the Entwives.

For those of you who DO believe me, just keep looking your so close just use Teleporno's clues. 

Yeah, I didnt think any of you would believe me. And now my name on this board probably went to hell. Sorry, I found it, you dont believe me. Thats your problem, not mine. 

Teleporno (on The Land of Rohan)

The Entwives are alive and living in The Lord of the Rings but you must look closely to find and decipher the riddle. Once you find them, don't tell anyone! 

It's an elaborate inside joke as much as a riddle, just as the Ents can be taken as a broad spoof of haughty English academics (specifically Treebeard is JRRT's rendering of C.S. Lewis) the Entwives are the middle-class British women who don't tolerate the foolish behavior of men -- like the suffragists. I know it's an extremely obscure thing to find and you have to do a lot of homework to understand my explanation of the riddle. Reading such as Humphrey Carpenter's authorized biography (yeah, I know it's very flawed and omits a lot) and the Letters of JRRT. The letters where he answers readers questions about the Entwives are deliberately cagey for exactly this reason -- he wants YOU to find them.

Remember, he's a subtle writer and every word counts. 

It's all in The Two Towers. Keep an eye on the clustering of certain types of words.

That's all I'm writing.

[Tellyn]

Ok then...  does anyone know where they are?  If so please IM me if you don't want to ruin it for others.

[Taurendil]

Well, I’ve skimmed through that discussion. It’s started more than a year ago, and I think we’d have heard of the Entwives’ dislocation by now. Do you seriously believe it? 

[Kimi]

Wow, that's definitely an exciting idea but I reckon these people probably are just making it up  - I don't quite understand why it's so important to them not to tell people, and also if it was true publishing a paper on it seems like a good idea, not a stupid one. Haven't quite a lot of people done dissertations on LOTR as well? As someone in their final year of uni at the moment, I would've thought if none of the dissertation people have spotted it (simply because they'll probably have lotr coming out of their ears, they'll be studying it so much) a casual reader won't have done.
Despite all this I do hope I'm wrong, it'd be great if it was a hidden riddle in the book! 

[Mithrandir]

Have we heard anymore about this?

[Beleriel]

I think the idea is Mith, that we discuss it here.

It certainly makes me want to go and read the books again.  So even if it is a hoax that is no bad thing.  Its worth a look and a study so I think I shall go for it and see if there IS anything there to find. 

[Taurendil]

As a matter of fact, I've skimmed through the TT, but haven't found anything that identifies the location of the Entwives 
I think its nonsense that the Entwives are in the book, just some cock-'n'-bull story..

[EG]

well........

someone has!! click here

[Beleriel]

 


hahahahaha lmao!   

[Lessa]

 

Brilliant EG

Lessa

[Anne]

LOL EG 

I wonder if he's talking about Ithilien?

All about them were small woods of resinous trees, fir and cedar and cypress, and other kinds unknown in the Shire, with wide glades among them: and everywhere there was a wealth of sweet-smelling herbs and shrubs .... Here Spring was already busy about them: fronds peirced moss and mould, larches were green-fingered, small flowers were opening in the turf, birds singing.  Ithilien, the garden of Gondor now desolate kept still a dishevelled dryad loveliness.

[Taurendil]

It's all in The Two Towers. Keep an eye on the clustering of certain types of words.

That's all I'm writing.

What could that mean, I wonder?

[EG]

dishevelled dryad loveliness

  thats a possibilty... perhaps...

It's all in The Two Towers. Keep an eye on the clustering of certain types of words.

That's all I'm writing.

What could that mean, I wonder?

you know what I thought that meant   that perhaps, if you read certain words together, i.e if they were typed together with no spaces, you would read where the entwives were

e.g.  noone knows where the entwives were, in the forests of fangorn or in hobbiton

could also be read the "entwives were in forests of fangorn"

well thats my example..... not very good, but you probably get what I mean

[Taurendil]

Here is what I've found so far:

Darkness came early to the silent woods, and before the fall of night they halted, weary, for they had walked seven leagues or more from Henneth Annûn. Frodo lay and slept away the night on the deep mould beneath an ancient tree. Sam beside him was more uneasy: he woke many times, but there was never a sign of Gollum, who had slipped off as soon as the others had settled to rest. Whether he had slept by himself in some hole nearby, or had wandered restlessly prowling through the night, he did not say; but he returned with the first glimmer of light, and roused his companions.

 

Is it what Teleporno was hinting at?

[K8 Fairy Princess]

Hmmmm well I think that the entwives are mentioned in the first chapter of FOTR, in the Green Dragon. There's a discussion involving sandyman, talking about walking trees up in the north. I've always presumed Tolkein was talking about entwives. Especially as treebeard says that they would have liked the shire.

So i'd be intriuged if this mystery location is somewhere else.... Unfortunately my books are miles away at the moment, and I won't have a chance to read through them for months.

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