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« #15 : August 15, 2003, 09:04:06 AM »

Didn't Aragorn die at the age of like 200 something, or was it higher?
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« #16 : August 27, 2003, 09:23:35 AM »

I have an encyclopedia of Middle Earth and it has amazing maps of Arda during the creation and all the different ages...

Ill see if my dad can scan them 2moro...It explains EVERYTHING that you ever wanted to know...

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« #17 : September 08, 2003, 01:04:14 PM »

I have an encyclopedia of Middle Earth and it has amazing maps of Arda during the creation and all the different ages...

Ill see if my dad can scan them 2moro...It explains EVERYTHING that you ever wanted to know...

That sounds like a lovely idea!

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« #18 : November 12, 2003, 04:33:56 PM »

he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D


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« #19 : November 12, 2003, 04:51:28 PM »

here is what most people find to
be one of the most helpful websites
around for Middle Earth Maps as well
as almost anything else

Encyclopedia of Arda - Maps


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« #20 : November 15, 2003, 05:32:54 PM »

How much effort went into that? It's just scary the amount of time people spend on stuff like that. It's still pretty useful though- good work!
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« #21 : November 15, 2003, 09:02:44 PM »

he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D

He was closer to 200 years old, somewhere around 210 give or take a couple years.
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« #22 : November 19, 2003, 10:22:54 PM »

Yeah the Arda site is amazingly detailed
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« #23 : December 23, 2003, 03:10:34 AM »

he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D

He was closer to 200 years old, somewhere around 210 give or take a couple years.

According to the Appendices, Aragorn was born TA-2931 on March 1st

He died in the year SR-1541 on March 1st,

As there is a 1600 year difference between SR (Shire Reckoning) and the years of TA (Third Age)
If the TA continued it would have been the year TA-3141 making Aragorn 210 years old, as Erendis correctly pointed out.
If my maths be correct, it would have however been in the Forth Age, year FA-120
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« #24 : January 19, 2004, 02:10:39 AM »

I would of never known. I knew he'd live long is all so I wasnt surprised when in the movie he said he was 86
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« #25 : February 06, 2004, 12:40:58 AM »

Yes the same here i knew that he was old in the films but that he died on the same day spooky (just like William Shakespear he died on his birthday) :'( :'( :'(
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« #26 : February 06, 2004, 05:58:35 AM »

aragorn did live to the age of 210.  some people say he chose when he was too die.  as other men of numenor blood had lived longer more than 250 years.

Isuldur lived to be 234 when he died in the last year of the second age.

King Elendil Isuldur's father lived to be 325 years old before he died at the siege of barad-dur

so i guess aragorn could have indeed decided his time to leave the world of middle earth.


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« #27 : February 22, 2004, 05:30:27 PM »

I think it's really good to see these timelines and maps. It was by shear genious that JRR Tolkien decided to start them off, it is really sueful in visuallising Middle-Earth.

With maps, you understand where things happened, and this helps you to see where they travelled and what difficulties they encountered. I dunno if you know about this website or not, but there is a particularly good map website, which is:
http://www.lotrmaps.cjb.net/ - this website is a pompilation of all maps posted to him, so if you have any maps that aren't featured on the website, pass them on to him.

Timelines are good aswell, because it helps you understand the scale of time going on in the world; because it is a fictional world, you can't understand what the passage of time is (and if you've read the books, you'll notice that because people don't understand the passage of time, Peter Jackson has used it to make the War of the Ring much shorter; he also missed out something like 18 years!), a timeline also helps you to understand the time before the events in TLOTR takes place, and because the scale of years is the same as ours, we can understand the length of time mentioned.
All those websites mentioned are very good, one website, which is doesn't have a very definitive timeline, but has an amazing amount of information on other things (it has the best geneologyu tree ever!), like The Encyclopeadia of Arda is:
http://www.tolkienion.net

I, myself, being such a TLOTR obsessed fool, have drawn my own maps, and I have made my own, very complete timeline. (Ofcause a lot of early stuff on timelines is guess work, but from the information I have, I think it's pretty good.) Unfortunately, I don't have nay webspace to put the stuff on, so they're not available yet, hopefully, oneday, I'll get my own Tolkien website to put stuff on! :)

I hope these websites help you in the same ways as they have helped me!
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« #28 : February 25, 2004, 11:23:43 AM »

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some people say he chose when he was too die.

It's a fact (not just speculation) that Aragorn utilized the old 'gift' to the line of Elros and chose his time to die. He felt his old age coming and did not want to go on living to the point of becoming feeble-minded, etc. He tells this to Arwen, and also tells her that he is choosing to die by his own will.

"Take counsel with yourself, beloved, and ask you would indeed have me wait until I wither and fall from my high seat unmanned and witless. Nay, lady, I am the last of the Numenoreans and the latest king of the Elder Days; and to me has been given only a span thrice that of Men of Middle earth, but also the grace to go at my will, and now I give back the gift. Now, therefore, I will sleep." (ROTK, Tale of Aragorn and Arwen)

There are also these quotes from Tolkien:

"It was also the Elvish (and uncorrupted Númenórean) view that a 'good' Man would or should die voluntarily by surrender with trust before being compelled (as did Aragorn). This may have been the nature of unfallen Man; though compulsion would not threaten him: he would desire and ask to be allowed to 'go on' to a higher state." (JRRT, Note to Letter 212)

"Death - the mere shortness of human life-span - is not a punishment for the Fall, but a biologically (and therefore also spiritually, since body and spirit are integrated) inherent part of Man´s nature. The attempt to escape it is wicked because 'unnatural', and silly because Death in that sense is the Gift of God (envied by the Elves), release from the weariness of Time. .....A good Númenórean died of free will when he felt it to be time to do so.' (JRRT, note to letter 156)

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« #29 : February 25, 2004, 05:58:29 PM »

exactly ;D  now without going and looking this up if i can remember correctly, wasnt Eldarion around 90 years old (his exact date of birth is uncertain) and it was at that age that aragorns ancestors took up their role of chieftain.  Eldarion was given his fathers tokens of his rule then aragorn have his life willingly.

so it may have been possible that aragorn was waiting until his son was old enough to follow in numenorean tradition at the age of 90.


and yeah wasnt it said that when men dies they went out of the comprehandsion of even the valar themselves, even mandos (valar of death) did not understand.

all beings, valar and evles alike were always bound to their world and its fate
but men were gifted by illuvator (gift of men) and were allowed to shape their afterlike as they wish.


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