The Age of the Ring (Lord of the Rings) Forum
Tolkien only Section => Books - LOTR & The Hobbit => Topic started by: Durin on June 16, 2003, 09:00:58 PM
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click here for the Middle Earth timeline (http://www.ageofthering.com/timeline/index.html), has all major and specific dates from the beginning of the first age of the sun up until the year 121 of the fourth age when Arwen dies the year 172 of the fourth age when the red book of westmarch was completed and published.
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Well its quicker than going through all the appendices. :)
Thanks Durin! ;D
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I think it's brilliant!
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This is what I call brilliant:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/intro.html (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/intro.html)
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I love that web site! It is utterly amazing, lots of hard work was put into that. ;D
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Wonderful and easy! ;D
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Isn't there also a Middle-Earth timeline on this website? What I would like to find is a good site with PDF maps of Middle-Earth that can be zoomed in and out in Acrobat Reader. Does anyone know of any good map sites?
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http://www.annalsofarda.dk/Annals-of-Arda/Maps-index-tables/Maps.htm (http://www.annalsofarda.dk/Annals-of-Arda/Maps-index-tables/Maps.htm)
this one is OK but I dont think you can use acrobat with it.
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/maps.html (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/maps.html)
there are loads but I cant remember where iv seen maps to use with acrobat :P
oh and yeah, Im well aware of the appendices I just thought it would be conveniant
to post the link in this board >:(
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This is what I call brilliant:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/intro.html (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/intro.html)
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:) :D !! that site is totally hectic amazing .cheers for putting up the link
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You're right. That site is pure genius.
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I think the first one Durin posted is brilliant....I love the way it's set out, nice and simple to read through.
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well you see. the timeline is part of this site so I only thought it logical to
make sure you were all aware of it and had an easy access link from the forum.
as for the encyclopedia of Arda, damn you all now everyones gonna know where I get all my answers and knowlege from ::) ;D
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http://www.annalsofarda.dk/Annals-of-Arda/Maps-index-tables/Maps.htm (http://www.annalsofarda.dk/Annals-of-Arda/Maps-index-tables/Maps.htm)
I mean this one? But the timeline on this site is retty cool to!
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it's easier than lookin up stuff in the appendices ;D
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Those links are great! That last one has fab maps! Really great! But arda is the best site about LotR, well, all that Tolkien has written concerning ME!
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Didn't Aragorn die at the age of like 200 something, or was it higher?
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I have an encyclopedia of Middle Earth and it has amazing maps of Arda during the creation and all the different ages...
Ill see if my dad can scan them 2moro...It explains EVERYTHING that you ever wanted to know...
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I have an encyclopedia of Middle Earth and it has amazing maps of Arda during the creation and all the different ages...
Ill see if my dad can scan them 2moro...It explains EVERYTHING that you ever wanted to know...
That sounds like a lovely idea!
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he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D
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here is what most people find to
be one of the most helpful websites
around for Middle Earth Maps as well
as almost anything else
Encyclopedia of Arda - Maps (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm?http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/maps.html)
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How much effort went into that? It's just scary the amount of time people spend on stuff like that. It's still pretty useful though- good work!
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he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D
He was closer to 200 years old, somewhere around 210 give or take a couple years.
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Yeah the Arda site is amazingly detailed
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he died later than that because when he was talkin to eowen he was allready 86 so i think he was around 300 ;D
He was closer to 200 years old, somewhere around 210 give or take a couple years.
According to the Appendices, Aragorn was born TA-2931 on March 1st
He died in the year SR-1541 on March 1st,
As there is a 1600 year difference between SR (Shire Reckoning) and the years of TA (Third Age)
If the TA continued it would have been the year TA-3141 making Aragorn 210 years old, as Erendis correctly pointed out.
If my maths be correct, it would have however been in the Forth Age, year FA-120
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I would of never known. I knew he'd live long is all so I wasnt surprised when in the movie he said he was 86
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Yes the same here i knew that he was old in the films but that he died on the same day spooky (just like William Shakespear he died on his birthday) :'( :'( :'(
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aragorn did live to the age of 210. some people say he chose when he was too die. as other men of numenor blood had lived longer more than 250 years.
Isuldur lived to be 234 when he died in the last year of the second age.
King Elendil Isuldur's father lived to be 325 years old before he died at the siege of barad-dur
so i guess aragorn could have indeed decided his time to leave the world of middle earth.
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I think it's really good to see these timelines and maps. It was by shear genious that JRR Tolkien decided to start them off, it is really sueful in visuallising Middle-Earth.
With maps, you understand where things happened, and this helps you to see where they travelled and what difficulties they encountered. I dunno if you know about this website or not, but there is a particularly good map website, which is:
http://www.lotrmaps.cjb.net/ (http://www.lotrmaps.cjb.net/) - this website is a pompilation of all maps posted to him, so if you have any maps that aren't featured on the website, pass them on to him.
Timelines are good aswell, because it helps you understand the scale of time going on in the world; because it is a fictional world, you can't understand what the passage of time is (and if you've read the books, you'll notice that because people don't understand the passage of time, Peter Jackson has used it to make the War of the Ring much shorter; he also missed out something like 18 years!), a timeline also helps you to understand the time before the events in TLOTR takes place, and because the scale of years is the same as ours, we can understand the length of time mentioned.
All those websites mentioned are very good, one website, which is doesn't have a very definitive timeline, but has an amazing amount of information on other things (it has the best geneologyu tree ever!), like The Encyclopeadia of Arda is:
http://www.tolkienion.net (http://www.tolkienion.net)
I, myself, being such a TLOTR obsessed fool, have drawn my own maps, and I have made my own, very complete timeline. (Ofcause a lot of early stuff on timelines is guess work, but from the information I have, I think it's pretty good.) Unfortunately, I don't have nay webspace to put the stuff on, so they're not available yet, hopefully, oneday, I'll get my own Tolkien website to put stuff on! :)
I hope these websites help you in the same ways as they have helped me!
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some people say he chose when he was too die.
It's a fact (not just speculation) that Aragorn utilized the old 'gift' to the line of Elros and chose his time to die. He felt his old age coming and did not want to go on living to the point of becoming feeble-minded, etc. He tells this to Arwen, and also tells her that he is choosing to die by his own will.
"Take counsel with yourself, beloved, and ask you would indeed have me wait until I wither and fall from my high seat unmanned and witless. Nay, lady, I am the last of the Numenoreans and the latest king of the Elder Days; and to me has been given only a span thrice that of Men of Middle earth, but also the grace to go at my will, and now I give back the gift. Now, therefore, I will sleep." (ROTK, Tale of Aragorn and Arwen)
There are also these quotes from Tolkien:
"It was also the Elvish (and uncorrupted Númenórean) view that a 'good' Man would or should die voluntarily by surrender with trust before being compelled (as did Aragorn). This may have been the nature of unfallen Man; though compulsion would not threaten him: he would desire and ask to be allowed to 'go on' to a higher state." (JRRT, Note to Letter 212)
"Death - the mere shortness of human life-span - is not a punishment for the Fall, but a biologically (and therefore also spiritually, since body and spirit are integrated) inherent part of Man´s nature. The attempt to escape it is wicked because 'unnatural', and silly because Death in that sense is the Gift of God (envied by the Elves), release from the weariness of Time. .....A good Númenórean died of free will when he felt it to be time to do so.' (JRRT, note to letter 156)
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exactly ;D now without going and looking this up if i can remember correctly, wasnt Eldarion around 90 years old (his exact date of birth is uncertain) and it was at that age that aragorns ancestors took up their role of chieftain. Eldarion was given his fathers tokens of his rule then aragorn have his life willingly.
so it may have been possible that aragorn was waiting until his son was old enough to follow in numenorean tradition at the age of 90.
and yeah wasnt it said that when men dies they went out of the comprehandsion of even the valar themselves, even mandos (valar of death) did not understand.
all beings, valar and evles alike were always bound to their world and its fate
but men were gifted by illuvator (gift of men) and were allowed to shape their afterlike as they wish.
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I don't think there's any way to exactly determine Eldarion's age at the time, only that he had come into manhood and was apparently ready to take the kingship. The age of majority for the Numenoreans was like 25, and he was most likely well past that.
I don't know for certain if 90 was the average age for the 'Chieftains', because as far as I know the birth years for all of them are not given. That may just be the Ency. of Arda (which I know gives that number) speculating. They are not always accurate.
If it actually says '90' anywhere, I don't recall it.
and yeah wasnt it said that when men dies they went out of the comprehandsion of even the valar themselves, even mandos (valar of death) did not understand.
They go to Mandos first, just as the elves do, but eventually leave the Circles of the World. It is the fate of the elves that Eru did not (according to the Sil) reveal to the Valar, but the Valar claim that Men will join in the Second Music.
As for Men 'shaping their lives', I think he meant while still living, not in the afterlife.
Tolkien had some clearer ideas about what happens to men earlier on - much more a Heaven-Purgatory-Hell scenario. (as in BOLT)
He eventually left it much more uncertain, and probably on purpose. His personal beliefs would of course cause him to have certain ideas about the 'final fate of Men', but his dislike for blatant allegory may have influenced him to sidestep the issue in his writings. :D
Still, there are some interesting passages in the Sil (the Second Music) and in Morgoth's Ring, like this one:
" Men will also fade' if it proves to be the plan that things shall still go on, when they have completed their function. But even the Elves had the notion that this would not be so: that the end of Men would somehow be bound up with the end of history, or as they called it 'Arda Marred' and the achievement of 'Arda Healed.' (JRRT, Morgoth's Ring)
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"Take counsel with yourself, beloved, and ask you would indeed have me wait until I wither and fall from my high seat unmanned and witless. Nay, lady, I am the last of the Numenoreans and the latest king of the Elder Days; and to me has been given only a span thrice that of Men of Middle earth, but also the grace to go at my will, and now I give back the gift. Now, therefore, I will sleep." (ROTK, Tale of Aragorn and Arwen)
that is really sweet and upsetting im going to go in a corner and cry know :'(
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that is really sweet and upsetting im going to go in a corner and cry know
oh my god...get a grip!!!!!!!!
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you really arent helping anything. why dont you come back when you learn how to post properly
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actually i do think that tuffers has a point there i was a bit over dramatic about the whole thing :P :-X
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No, there's no harm in getting upset over something mrsbloom! Tuffers obviously doesnt appreciate the brilliant writing! Dont worry about it!
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the simarillion is an awesome book, but it is a tad confusing
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The Silmarillion is a really amazing book, its a lot of stories, compiled together, in a way. I love it. The tale about Melkor and Ungoliant was my favourite. It also gives you an idea, on what it was like in the First age.
I have discovered a story on the web, that is told from Melkor, and Saurons point of view... I think you will of had to read the sil to understand it a bit more though, but I found it really good.
If you got adobe reader, have a look. If not, install it, its worth the wait, honest!
I printed it off, so i could keep it.
Heres the link:
www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Morlindale.pdf (http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Morlindale.pdf)
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yeh sil rules!!
my fav aprt is wen it tells you about how melkor made sauron etc
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more info about Numenor please
come on people,i`m new here
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(http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/maps/numenor2.gif)
there is a general map of numenor, from http://www.glyphweb.com/arda, and here is the info. from it:
The island kingdom of the Dúnedain, raised from the sea by the Valar as a gift and reward to the Men who had remained faithful through the dark years of the First Age. The Edain who had dwelt in Beleriand were led to the island in II 32 by Elros the Half-elven, who unlike his brother Elrond had chosen to be counted among Men rather than Elves.
Elros became the first King of Númenor, taking the name Tar-Minyatur. Under his rule, and the rule of his descendants, the Númenóreans rose to become the most powerful nation of Men in that or any other age. Their mighty ships returned to Middle-earth in II 600, and there they founded havens and cities.
For the early part of their history, the Númenóreans were closely allied with the Elves of Tol Eressëa, which lay close to their western shores. The Elves visited them often, and taught them much, but the Númenóreans themselves were forbidden to sail westwards, because the Valar feared they would become envious of the Undying Lands they and the Elves inhabited. As their greatness and power grew, the Númenóreans began to turn against the Ban of the Valar, and at last Ar-Adûnakhôr, who became King in II 2899 turned openly against it, though he did not dare defy it.
The last King of Númenor was Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, who usurped the throne of the rightful queen Míriel in II 3255. He took his armies to Middle-earth to make war upon Sauron, and so great had the Númenóreans become that Sauron's forces deserted him. Seeing an opportunity to destroy his enemy, Sauron sued for peace and returned with the King to Númenor. He gradually gained Ar-Pharazôn's trust, and persuaded him to sail openly against the Valar. This he did in II 3319, but as he set foot on the forbidden shores of Aman, the Land of Gift was taken away and swallowed beneath the waves forever.
Some few survived the Downfall; Elendil, his sons and his followers had prepared themselves for the disaster and taken ship, and were driven back across the seas to Middle-earth. There they founded the famous realms of Arnor and Gondor, though these were but a dim reflection of the glory of Númenor at its height.