The Death Penalty/Capital Punishment

[Beleriel]

Well, I think it about time someone came in here and gave Icy some support.  I totally agree with everything you say Icy. 

It is wishy washy liberal types like you lot that have turned this county into the pitiful state it is in today.

A person who murders someone in cold blood or who takes an innocents life without any remorse should have no rights to anything.  Oh yeah, lets bung em in an institution for a while... pay for all their meals and their bedding and their rooms and then... lets let em go and not only that, we will set them up for life!!!!  WHERE is the justice in that eh?  Are you seriously trying to suggest that it is appropriate for murderers to be treated like that?  What about the victims?  There's no second chances for them is there?  What about their families and the devastating effect it has on them? 

You know... it is almost as though a prospective murderer could weigh up the odds of the consequences for their actions before they do it.  I mean, there you are in the world struggling to make ends meet, having to sell yourself into slavery for life just to get by... but hey hang on.... if you murder someone in cold blood... well you are looked after for 10 years of your life and.... hang on again.... if you a EVIL enough to upset enough people really really badly, then when you come out you get a WHOLE NEW LIFE where you are set up with a new identity and home and even given skills that you never had before!!!!!!      Well I dont know how anyone can justify that. 

Go on justify it.  I really really want to hear your arguments for it.  And before you start applying your arguments personally towards me.... dont bother.  That is just a way to avoid the real issue which is the above. 

Where is the deterrent?  Where is the punishment?  Where is the JUSTICE? 

Excuse me, I've done nothing to *your* country. My country has enough problems of it's own because of *your* country      Who said anything about *yours* or *my* country?  Like I said, stop trying to divert the issue by changing the subject!

A person who murders someone in cold blood has no right to live but yet the judge or politician have the right to murder THAT person in cold blood? Oh, I see the logic now...     dry:That isnt murder though is it?  And who cares about logic anyway.  Why should I work my whole flippin life to fund these characters in jail eh?  It makes me sick. 

If they're given new skills and a home when they come out, then maybe society should do that in the first place, eh? And so say all of us!  In fact, I reckon all people deserve a decent living and start in life.  But hey, thats not the real world is it?  But if I go and and murder an innocent in cold blood, THEN I can get the support I shouldve got in the first place.  Like I said, it makes me sick! 

As far as I'm concerned if someone commits a murder and is remorseless they can stay in prison for life, I agree releasing people like you have mentioned is stupid, but killing them also solves nothing.

I really have to disagree with you there.  It solves EVERYTHING.  It gets rid of them and society is a better place for it. 

If someone kills someone you care about you kill them, and then someone who cared about them kills you, and before you know it the population of england has slaughtered each other. Well maybe something could be said for that.  Allowing a family to take revenge for the wrongdoing sounds good to me! 
 Life imprisonment for these sickos you've mentioned by all means, death, sorry but no. It doesn't solve a damn thing except make people feel safe knowing there aern't these people out there, but then life imprisonment achieves the same thing.  No it doesnt, they dont get kept in.  If life meant life then fair enough but it doesnt does it?  Since when has a life been 15 years eh?  Oh yeah well maybe if some nutter comes along and snuffs you out at 15 years old it would be life.  But 15 years does NOT constitute a lifetime does it?  Furthermore it costs the taxpayers money to keep those b astards for all those year!  GAH!   

[Phil]

these peas seem rounder than usual.

[The Flying Monkey]

If a life sentence was just that, a sentence for the remainder of the life of an individual that has committed an horrendous crime, I would be content to accept that as at least some form of justice, and as a means to prevent that individual re-entering society. As a life sentence does NOT mean life, I feel that in some cases the nature of the crime warrants the death penalty. In my West Midlands town there is a current outcry as the Home Office were intending to release a man back into this community, where, some years ago, he tortured and cut the throats of 3 toddlers under the age of 3 and impaled their bodies on the garden railings so that their parents would find them as they came home, which they did. Now you might say that no sane human being is capable of such an act and that as such the perpertrator was sick and therefore deserves help and the opportunity to be rehabilitated, but nevertheless I do not feel that it is right that someone capable of such barbarity should be photographed wandering around a shopping centre in Liverpool taking one of his many prearranged unsupervised days out prior to being released. The man showed no remorse at his trial, stating that it was all the fault of the two month old baby that he was looking after as it would not stop crying after he had hit it. He has showed no remorse during his relatively brief term of imprisonment, and certainly no understanding of the grief and pain he inflicted on the parents of those children. If he is this lacking in empathy for the victims of his crime, what is to prevent him reoffending? Certainly not a conscience.

[Jim]

The statement I replied too sums up about your and my country. Try reading it. Infact here it is:

It is wishy washy liberal types like you lot that have turned this county into the pitiful state it is in today.

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I don't see me trying to divert the subject, I replied to it.

Yes, it is murder. Murder is murder is murder is murder. A life is lost through someone elses power, who can at any time stop it; murder. Weither its from a killer or a judge.

Why should you work your whole life to fund politicians putting gold-lined wallpaper that costs £1 million a sheet, for a monarch who sits on £10million a year or for the million other reasons? Answer please. I know I'd rather pay taxes to keep people from being killed for revenge, than let some bollock politician waste money.

It may make you sick but it's reality. People DON'T get the help they need, why is that? There are people commiting crimes just so they can go to jail and have a roof over their heads, it makes ME sick that they have to do that in this "fair and just society". flibbling farse.

You keep talking about tax payers money but your quite willing to allow what I stated a few lines up.

[Icy]

Because this is NOT a discussion about the Royal Family, or Polititians, or anything.  Its about the Death Penalty.

I cannot fathom out how you can think a murderer has any right.  How can someone who takes a life be let to live?  It makes me sick...it actually makes me sick to think of it.

Britain has no Justice.  None whatsoever.  I might as well go and kill the people I don't really like, because lets face it, I can get away with it easily!  A few years in prison?  Why not!  Its free for me, they'll feed me, in a few years I'll probably be out anyway!  Ohhh then I can kill again, wouldn't that be fun!

THATS the mind of a killer.  They don't give a damn about Jail, otherwise they wouldn't kill, would they?  Whereas if they knew the penalty was Death....everyone is afraid of Death...and even if they're not afraid, they don't exactly want to do it.  Unless the killer has a screw loose, he'd or she'd think about it if they knew the Dealth Penalty was in use.

I suppose you think those baby rapists should get less than six years in jail?  Thats all they got., you know.  Six Years.  And the mother of that child has to live with the torment and torture for life.  She will live till her dying day, never forgetting that.

But who care's, right?  They have RIGHTS.

[Gollum]

Just wondering, would you call people who have gone to war and fought for their country murderers?
After all, haven't they gone out there knowing that they are going to be killing someone, hence attacking someone with intent to kill. By your previous statements, that's enough to make them a murderer, and therefore have the death penalty.

[Icy]

War isn't murder.  A Soldier isn't a murderer if he kills the enemy.  Its his job.  Its for the greater good.

As in World War 2, the soldier's were protecting their country from terror.  It's different.

I do not think anyone can compare a solider to a murderer.  There is nothing in common.

[Gollum]

Apart from the fact that they both kill?

[Jim]

Because this is NOT a discussion about the Royal Family, or Polititians, or anything.  Its about the Death Penalty.

I cannot fathom out how you can think a murderer has any right.  How can someone who takes a life be let to live?  It makes me sick...it actually makes me sick to think of it.

Britain has no Justice.  None whatsoever.  I might as well go and kill the people I don't really like, because lets face it, I can get away with it easily!  A few years in prison?  Why not!  Its free for me, they'll feed me, in a few years I'll probably be out anyway!  Ohhh then I can kill again, wouldn't that be fun!

THATS the mind of a killer.  They don't give a damn about Jail, otherwise they wouldn't kill, would they?  Whereas if they knew the penalty was Death....everyone is afraid of Death...and even if they're not afraid, they don't exactly want to do it.  Unless the killer has a screw loose, he'd or she'd think about it if they knew the Dealth Penalty was in use.

I suppose you think those baby rapists should get less than six years in jail?  Thats all they got., you know.  Six Years.  And the mother of that child has to live with the torment and torture for life.  She will live till her dying day, never forgetting that.

But who care's, right?  They have RIGHTS.

My point still stands (and no one has yet to answer it). If the tax arguement comes into it, then I will bring politics, the royal family and other taxation wastes into it.

I can't fathom out how you can think a murderer has no right to life, and feel superior to someone because of their actions, yet are perfectly fine about putting that person to death.

If thats the mind of a killer, then love am sorry but you haven't got a clue. Some people are mentally away in the head, some people do it in self defence, some people do it for pleasure, some people are blamed for it wrongly.

Who's fault is it baby rapists got 6 years? Blame the judiciary.

War is murder. I'm going to say it again. Murder is murder, is murder, is murder, is murder. Whoever does it. What flibbling greater good is there in sending a few thousand soldiers into a foreign country that doesn't want you? It's called invasion. State murder and collaboration has been happening in Northern Ireland for the past 40 years, that's not a greater good.

World war 2 was for a greater good - the elites lust for more, on both sides. They're own greater good.

[Phil]

I do not think anyone can compare a solider to a murderer.  There is nothing in common

What about the 13 unarmed innocent civillians who were shot dead by the British Army in Ireland in 1972?

What about the My Lai massacre in Vietnam when WOMEN AND CHILDREN were lead into a ditch and riddled by American troops....there for the common good as Icy stated. (they lost that war, btw)

And on the point of My Lai....the commanding officer who overseen My Lai (who reportedly fired a few shots himself) served a minimum sentance, before being released....in a country which HAS the death penalty.

[Jim]

In the back, mind you 

[Phil]

Yes. The fellas who were shot in derry in 1972 were shot as they ran from the Parashute Regiment.

Throughout "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland, the regiment's battalions undertook many tours of duty. In 1972, while assisting the Royal Ulster Constabulary in preventing a civil rights march from taking place, they shot 13 men (7 teenagers) dead in Derry, an event which became known as Bloody Sunday. Despite claims by some paratroopers that they were fired upon, none were injured in the engagement, and no weapons were found.

[Gollum]

War is just murder on a massive scale.

[Phil]

Exactly.

[Jim]

So according to Icy and anyone else for capital punishment - These people should be put to death rather than spend the rest of their miserable lives in jail in fear of assassonation.

I think I prefere the last one.

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