Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!

[Icy]

You can't say the Fat Controller?  Who's going to stop us?  I can just see us in jail now...

"What you in for?"
"I stole loads of stuff from a shop.  You?"
"Oh, I said 'Fat Controller' out loud"

 

The UK is officially the crappest country in the world now haha!

And Jim, just shut up.  You always have to disagree with everyone.  Its the fat its so stupid.  Why can't I say the Fat bloody Controller? Who the frig is it offending?

Gah, I hate all this PC nonsense...I'll say what I like, when I like.  If Baa Baa is a black sheep, he WILL be called a black sheep!

[Mojo Toner]

The onli way out is a whole new government, lol. Political Correctness sux. Lets get the word political and all likewise words banned as well, I find them words offensive to Ordinary people, and Doctor, and Train Drive..  Damn Government. ooooh lets ban tht word 2.....

[Hyllyn]

That it's tedious and a waste of time, instead of complaining about the fat controller being renamed, complain about something useful perhaps?

 Like doing proselitism over Northern Ireland perhaps or whatever suits you?

 Give me and us an effing break man. No one is forcing you to come in this topic and read it if you don't like it and no one wants you to turn it into a subject of your own interest, that is what the 'start new topic' button is for.

[Eámainë Meneldur]

PC has definately gone stark raving BONKERS let alone mad!
at work we shouldn't sing, baa baa black sheep, goosey goosey gander (getting the old man by the leg and throwin him down the stairs bit) or anything else that is (apparently) even vaguely sexist, racist or violent. 
The kids cant watch tom and jerry or roadrunner cos they drop pianos and the like on each others heads! its stupidity.... Theyre making it more of an issue to young'uns by making everything taboo. u tell a 3-5 year old not to say or do something and they turn round and do the exact opposite.
And another thing about the political correctness is that its a double standard. went shopping with my sis last week and both got called white b*****s because we wouldn't talk to the gang of ethnic lads following us. why didnt they get a police warning for being racist??? (coronation street anyone???)

there ive had my fivers worth now    please dont hate me   

whats the point of free speech when ya cant speak freely?

[Taurendil]

There should be the golden middle. Indeed there must not be any descrimination of people but after all measure should be observed. Anything can be called offensive, but not all is meant to be offensive, people should understand it.

Why do the new citizens, who arrive in the country, protest against something, no one made them to go there, meanwhile this 'something' could be a tradition for a hundreds of years and banning it  WILL be an outrage for those who already live in this country.

IMO this tendency leads to nothing but madness.

[Jim]

That it's tedious and a waste of time, instead of complaining about the fat controller being renamed, complain about something useful perhaps?

 Like doing proselitism over Northern Ireland perhaps or whatever suits you?

 Give me and us an effing break man. No one is forcing you to come in this topic and read it if you don't like it and no one wants you to turn it into a subject of your own interest, that is what the 'start new topic' button is for.

Well son, if you want I can discuss political correctness in Northern Ireland, afterall it is a member of the UK, eh? If you want, I can talk about the political correctness and "positive" discrimination in the police force, and the political correctness being enforced on national marches, but we won't get into that, I don't want people to think I'm changing the subject, eh?

Unlike you, I'm going to stick to the topic.

PC hasn't gone stark raving boners in my own opinion, it's down to how it's practised. It's easy to force people to call a character something other than the fat controller, or to have a rainbow shamrock at a st patricks day parade (oh oh we're touching on NI there), or calling christmas lights winter lights, but do people honestly practise these things? Christmas is derived from a winter holiday anyway, the fat controller has been the brunt end of every fat kid in school for the past 10 years and i could personally care less about wanting to make st patricks day a holiday for everyone in this wee corner of the UK that I won't mention, incase Hyllyn wants to throw more petty arguements against me (and go off topic )

And Jim, just shut up.  You always have to disagree with everyone.  Its the fat its so stupid.  Why can't I say the Fat bloody Controller? Who the frig is it offending?

I won't shut up, love. Me disagreeing makes people think about their posts a bit more before they press that reply button. Whats a "debate" without an opposition? And come to think of it, I don't remember anyone saying you can't call him the fat controller, call him Jesus for all it matters.

What people don't fail to realise (even though it's pretty obvious) is that I disagree with people purposely to show both sides of the story, and people obviously don't like that because it challenges em, dry your eyes.

A man with one opinion is a man with one eye.

[The Flying Monkey]

Nope, you just enjoy being incredibly pretentious and patronizing.

[Jim]

I fail to see how I am being pretentious. Please explain.

Patronising? Perhaps, as if I'm the only one.

[Mithrandir]

Political correctness... where to start?

Firstly, I would like to say that I gre up with Thomas the Tank Engine, and I will never forget that he was called The Fat Controller. It may be a trivial issue but it's still part of the same problem, even if it is the very tiniest tip of the iceberg. It may be trivial in your opinion but it doesn't mean it's neither relevant nor important - people stand up for what they believe in. And as I grew up with Thomas the Tank Engine from the Island of Sodor I personally think it is utterly disgraceful that a children's programme has been brought down to the lever of political correctness like this (although I believe the first such case was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who were called the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles in the UK).

Secondly, I do not feel that political correctness is just a social effect - I feel that it is important negative effect on language, whereby we get some ridiculous phrases so as no to offend e.g. "horizontally impaired" (why not The Horizontally-Impaired Controller?). We're so hung up about not offended "minorities" in some way we are missing out on important issues. This doesn't just extent to silly things wods entering the dictionary such as "Winterval", but also (although some people see this as a separate issue, but I think it is related) extends to the government bringing in this Incitement to Racial and Religious Hatred Bill which is merely a press release to show the government is doing something (a useless bill which discriminates against us atheists).

Thirdly, as much as you may think a change of government will change this, it won't. It was started under the Tories, has been enriched under Labour. No government is going to clamp down on political correctness for fear of offending someone and alienating "minorities".

Finally, I agree with the Monster Raving Loony Party. They are often taken for a joke, but, in fact, if you ever read their manifesto, they have serious and genuine policies. All that is happening is free speech is being curbed and it isn't enriching our society at all - we are proud to be multi-cultural, but many people are starting to wonder "What's happened to British culture and tradition? Should we be more like the French?" (French insofar as they don't embrace other cultures at all). Political correctness is just stranging society, the government, and people's free speech.

[Hyllyn]

Nope, you just enjoy being incredibly pretentious and patronizing.

 May I add deluded and megalomaniatic and yet soporific in his discourse?

 If this calls for a lock then fine I think it is plain and clear for all to see that you cannot have a discussion without Phil and Jim's approval and consent.

 It must come with the birth right I suppose unless all of them are natural born exegetes

 Mith read the part of the site of the Monster raving looney party where it lists the policies that they came up with and that were later implemented by the government of turn.

 Ah and according to medical terms you would have to call him the methabolically challenged controller or along those lines, of course it could become politically incorrect to use technical jargon soon enough or any words with more than 2 syllabes in them. 
 

[Mithrandir]

Mith read the part of the site of the Monster raving looney party where it lists the policies that they came up with and that were later implemented by the government of turn.

 Ah and according to medical terms you would have to call him the methabolically challenged controller or along those lines, of course it could become politically incorrect to use technical jargon soon enough or any words with more than 2 syllabes in them. 

That was actually what I was referring to. It often surprised people that the MRLP came up with decent ideas before real governments did.

Indeed, jargon is also politically incorrect, so eventually it will hopefully go in a big circle and return to "fat".

[Hyllyn]

 A big fat circle perhaps?

 Maybe if used as an abbreviation it could be passed as acceptable? 

[Beleriel]

metabollically challenged controller....   

You know, I remember when there was actually a storyline one week when the Fat Controller went on a diet to try to lose some weight.  All the trains got very upset because they said if he lost weight he wouldnt be the Fat Controller any more.      So he stopped trying to lose weight and had some cake instead.   

Now really, I would have thought the the creator (who WAS that anyway... was it Reverend someone?   I know it wasn't Ringo Starr    ) was more making the point that the people in Control (as in the Controller) often have the tendency to be fat.  And to be honest who can argue with that?  It is often the case that the people in the FAT cat jobs with the FAT cat earnings who can afford to eat and drink so much that they put on weight!   

As a fat person myself I can honestly say that The Fat Controller is non offensive to me and I would be interested to hear from anyone who was offended by him to be honest.   

All this aside... I will say this however..... fatism is just about the only 'ism'  you can get away with in this country these days.  I was turned down for a job a few months ago and told that they didnt think I could physically cope with it.     Hmmmm... how wrong is that?  If I thought I could cope (being an adult I can make these decisions for myself you know!)  then they should have trusted me in that.  But their assumption was, that because I was a big person I would not be able to walk a lot!  The fact that I wanted the job so that I WOULD walk a lot seemed to be beyond their comprehension!   

You see, there are assumptions made about big people which can often be wrong because they are based on stereotypical ideas.  However, I will resist the temptation to go on about this... as I suspect it could be the subject of another interesting topic. 

I like the FAT CONTROLLER!  I think he is cuuute!   

[Mithrandir]

Reverend W. V. Awdry.

Indeed, I don't think anyone would be actually offended by it. However, you talk about stereotypes, but you just stereotyped about fat cat jobs and fat cat earnings.

[Beleriel]

Reverend W. V. Awdry.

Indeed, I don't think anyone would be actually offended by it. However, you talk about stereotypes, but you just stereotyped about fat cat jobs and fat cat earnings.

Thank you.   

No I didnt.... I said MOST not ALL.... therefore not stereotyping. 

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