How would the story have changed if Faramir had gone to Rivendell

[EG]

instead of Boromir

Although Faramir was a more fair minded captain, and was less hot headed.  He lived with a desire to please his ever uncaring father.  To gain his respect.

Would he have suceeded where Boromir failed, to take the Ring for himself, through persuasion rather than violence

[Beleriel]

That is a good question.

One would love to think that Faramir would have had the sense not to touch it.  Certainly in the book he says doesnt he, I would not touch this thing if it was before me... or sumsuch thing, so I think he wouldnt have been even slightly tempted to touch the Ring.

Remembering the books (as opposed to the films)  Boromir wasnt sent to GET the Ring was he?  He was sent to find out the answer to the riddle.  When Boromir embarked on this quest it was with that in mind, to find out some answers. 

So, my answer would have to be no.  I dont think Faramir would have been tempted to take the Ring.  He was capable of seeing the wider picture and the implications of such a thing, unlike his brother who was so much more basic in his nature. 

[Anne]

Think I'm going to have to disagree with you there Lucy.  Faramir was only briefly tempted by the Ring and so it was less difficult for him to withstand it.  I think that if he, like Boromir, had been exposed to it for longer, he might have been more tempted.  I think the Ring would have worked on his insecurities about his father.  Whether he would have tried to take it by force I don't know.  He was, after all, a captain of Gondor and one who had been fighting for a long time, so he might have resorted to force too. 

I sometimes wonder how the Ring would have affected some of the other relationships if the Fellowship had stuck together for longer. 

[EG]

the films well and truly muddle up the characters of Boromir and Faramir dont they!  But, I do think that Faramir lived a lot to try to please his father.  Im guessing that the more "sensible" nature he had, would have meant he would have fought similiarly to Boromir and protected the Hobbits.... but I also think he would have been a more influencing force on Aragorn's decisions... and rather than go off on his own, (as Boromir did, when he fought for the Hobbits)... he would have been a greater part of the team

[Elfy]

I think the story would have been very different if the places of Boromir and Faramir had been reversed. On one hand, Faramir would have had the sens not to try and take the ring, thus aiding the passage of the Fellowship. But on the other hand, if it had been Boromir who had captured the hobbits, things might have been very different. We do not know if Boromir would have released them as Faramir did. If he hadn't........they wouldn't have got to Mount Doom, and things would be very diferent.
Wonder if Denethor would still be a nutcase......

[Aiwendil]

[color=447799]Hmm, yes indeed it is a very good question.

I think that is Faramir had attended at Imladris in the place of Boromir then the Fellowship would have had a little harder starting their quest. I fee that Faramir would have tried to pursuade the peoples that Gondor was in dier need for The Ring and that if they did not recieve it then the whole of Middle-earth would fall. (Or something like that anyway.)

I also feel that Faramir may have tried to trick Frodo into giving him The Ring of he may have stolen The Ring from Frodo.

Although I do feel that if Faramir would have been able to refrain himself from his actions then he would have had the same attitude towards Frodo in the Two Towers when he let Frodo and Sam escape![/color]

[Unebriwen]

woah! This is a brain-teaser, EG Of course there are many different possibilites and theories as to what may have happened and my theory would be:
if Faramir went to Rivendell instead of Boromir, his father would still hate him, and still go berserk when Boromir dies (he would die anyway) from an Orc attack at Osgiliath Of course Faramir would join the fellowship, once again to try and please Denethor; which still wouldn't be any good.. I'm sure that he wouldn't be the first to fall against the Ring, though, he's not as weak as Boromir, that I'm certain. But it's hard to predict. I mean for one thing, Denethor probably wouldn't go as mad, though I'm sure that he'd go mad anyway, lol. It's hard to say, really, and much too complicated a question for me to answer properly without getting my head in a knot

[K8 Fairy Princess]

I believe that if Faramir had joined the company, he would not have been tempted by the ring. I mean, in Ithilin, the ring was easily within his grasp, and he did not take it despite the fact that he had not been lectued (as Boromir had) about how taking the ring would not help anything.

Sooo.....let's say Faramir goes with the company, and as the Breaking of the Fellowship, Frodo and Sam still choose to go off to Mordor by themselves - I know that Boromir's actions were what had provoked this, but I believe that even without this provocation, Frodo would still have gone on alone. Soooo......Frodo and Sam have gone off....and the company is attacked by orcs, so Faramir is killed (as Boromir is in LotR). This means that it is Boromir that remains at Denethor's side, and carrying out raids in Ithilin, and it is him that captures Frodo.

In this situation, would he be able to resist the temptation of the ring? It is easily in his grasp, and he has not been warned by Elrond of the consequences. Sooooo......he would probably taken the ring from Frodo (in my opinion), taken it to Gondor (or just put it on), Sauron discovers it and blah....world ends!

So, in conclusion, I reckon that it's overall a good thing that it was Boromir that went to Rivendell.

[Glorfindel]

Sam and Frodo wouldn't meet anyone in Ithilien because Boromir is not a ranger, is he?

[Shieldmaiden of Rohan]

I think that if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell in Boromir's place then he would have also been tempted by the ring since the hearts of men are easily corrupted and Faramir is desperate to please his father and so may have given into the temptation.

[Subtle Monkey]

I agree and I will explain, but before I do, let me say that my knowledge of Faramir vs. Boromir comes totally from the movies.  I have recently started reading The Two Towers and I am only in the chapter "Treebeard."  My opinion could change if Peter Jackson wasn't true to the story.

I think Faramir would have been no different than Boromir.  When he heard that Frodo had the ring, he had determined within himself that he was going to take the ring back to Denethor, to "show his quality."  But it was the knowledge of what the ring had done to Boromir that brought Faramir back to his senses.

According to the movie, he never actually came in contact with the ring, like Boromir did.  If he had, I beleive what flowerpower31 said would have happened:

I think that if Faramir had been sent to Rivendell in Boromir's place then he would have also been tempted by the ring since the hearts of men are easily corrupted and Faramir is desperate to please his father and so may have given into the temptation.

Think about it, Sam had done well about the temptation of the ring up until it was time to hand it back over to Frodo, and the only reason he was able to overcome the lure was because he was a hobbit.  Men had too strong a hunger for power.  Even if his intentions were good, Faramir would ahve taken the ring and eventually been corrupted by it.  I do not believe even for a second that he would have delivered it to Denethor, when the time came to hand it over, he wouldn't have been able to let go.

[Tellyn]

Seeing as Faramir is one of the few men who successfully resisted the lure of the One Ring when he met Frodo and Sam, it would have been the same if he went with the Fellowship.  Anyway, Faramir actually wanted to go, Boromir didn't.

[Damrod]

Faramir was a very honorable man.  Whereas Boromir was far more the warrior with a warriors basic sensibilities.

I do not believe Faramir would have faltered and tried to take the ring from Frodo.  He had a classic opportunity but he did not take it.  To me that is proof enough of his reliability. 

[legy]

Well one thing's for sure, if Faramir went to Rivendell instead of Boromir then Boromir wouldn't be dead.
And therefore Aragorn wouldn't be wearing his gloves!

Also Faramir wouldn't have met Frodo and Sam and they might have reached Mordor a lot sooner than they did.

[Theo]

  Personally, I think that Faramir's strength of character would have shown through and he would have been able to resist the lure of the Ring..  Even if Boromir hadn't died, I think Faramir would realize the danger in possessing the Ring and he would have kept his hands off..  Just as Aragorn (and Gandalf, for that matter) knew it wise to not even touch it..  I think that the fellowship would have been able to stay together because it was Boromir's attempt at taking the ring that sent Frodo off on his own (with Sam soon to follow)..  Though Merry and Pippin had already been captured so I guess it would have been the fellowship minus two.. 


  On a side note: I think that when the Ring somehow fell off of Frodo's neck and Boromir picked it up to give it back was when the temptation was really strong and when he began his descent..

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