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Off Topic Section => World Events => Topic started by: Amy Lee on March 01, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
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I just looked through the "World Events" board, and the topic on smoking seems to have gone... so i'll post something I posted in another topic (slightly edited) here in the hope that it might be moved to World Events or something. This post is mainly about smoking in pubs.
This whole smoking ban is stupid >.< If there are so many non-smokers out there who actually care, why don't they bond together and open NON SMOKING pubs?
I'll tell you why...because the number of non smokers who go to pubs is nowhere near as many as those who smoke who go, and the majority of the non smokers who DO go to pubs don't actually mind people smoking around them. The person who started off this campaign has probably just been sitting thinking, right, where will we ban smoking? then thought of the most smoky areas there are - Pubs.
But why? The people who go to pubs are all over 18, or they SHOULD be, so they are generally classed as "Adults". This stupid ban is just another way for the government to slap the irons on us... What is this, a dictatorship or a democracy? We cant smoke, we cant own swords...Its like putting us into a babys playpen with all the "fluffy" things and saying we can play with those, but the things outside the playpen are too much for us to handle. I for one can't stand being treated like a child. The government should focus on more important things, like gang violence, etc. I mean, nicotine calms people down... booze hypes a lot of people up. Force people to give up smoking while drinking is like giving them petrol to put on a flame and nothing to put it out with.
While I may not be able to smoke right now, I do like a cig with a drink. I know that going into a pub, there's going to be smokers, so I stay away...
Restaurants, fair do's, pubs, HANDS OFF!
Rant done :P
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I think it's a good thing that smoking in public places is being banned, why should everyone have to inhale smoke? My own health has been damaged because of second hand smoke, for over a month I was extremely ill and I know many other people affected by it.
It's a disgusting habit and I can't wait for the ban to take place.
If people really want to smoke, they can smoke in their own homes, but it's not right that a person (even if they are over 18, that's not the point) should have to inhale it.
Especially since most pubs serve food now too, who wants to inhale smoke whilst eating?
If people have a problem with the smoking ban, there's one simple solution: Stop smoking.
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I just looked through the "World Events" board, and the topic on smoking seems to have gone... so i'll post something I posted in another topic (slightly edited) here in the hope that it might be moved to World Events or something. This post is mainly about smoking in pubs.
This whole smoking ban is stupid >.< If there are so many non-smokers out there who actually care, why don't they bond together and open NON SMOKING pubs?
I'll tell you why...because the number of non smokers who go to pubs is nowhere near as many as those who smoke who go, and the majority of the non smokers who DO go to pubs don't actually mind people smoking around them. The person who started off this campaign has probably just been sitting thinking, right, where will we ban smoking? then thought of the most smoky areas there are - Pubs.
But why? The people who go to pubs are all over 18, or they SHOULD be, so they are generally classed as "Adults". This stupid ban is just another way for the government to slap the irons on us... What is this, a dictatorship or a democracy? We cant smoke, we cant own swords...Its like putting us into a babys playpen with all the "fluffy" things and saying we can play with those, but the things outside the playpen are too much for us to handle. I for one can't stand being treated like a child. The government should focus on more important things, like gang violence, etc. I mean, nicotine calms people down... booze hypes a lot of people up. Force people to give up smoking while drinking is like giving them petrol to put on a flame and nothing to put it out with.
While I may not be able to smoke right now, I do like a cig with a drink. I know that going into a pub, there's going to be smokers, so I stay away...
Restaurants, fair do's, pubs, HANDS OFF!
Rant done :P
Well it's not all about Pubs...
And like Selene said, its got a lot to do with health, I mean I know I myself react to smoke badly.
Also it has been proven in New York and Ireland, that the number of smokers dropped once the ban came in, and frankly I'm happy about that because I think our generation really has no excuse to start smoking, they know all the dangers!
People in teh generation above us had an excuse, like my Grandparents, (Or whatever the generaton I'm talking about is to everyone else :P) they had an excuse to start because they didn't know the dangers and were well hooked by the time the dangers were made public!
If people have a problem with the smoking ban, there's one simple solution: Stop smoking.
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I gave up smoking... wow I just realised it was 12 months ago! But every time I go to the pub drinking and have smokers around me I always want to smoke! I just avoid the pubs now or stick to the areas that are non smoking, which is hard because almost everyone I go out with smokes :dry:
It's ok if it's not blowing in my face. Most smokers however, don't really care where their smoke is going :dry: That annoys me. I also don't like the smell of someone who has just put one out and then stands really close to me. Bleh!
We have smoking and non smoking areas in pubs and clubs here. It's worked out ok, but most of the pubs have made the poker machine area the smoking area which I suppose is good if you don't want to inhale smoke you won't gamble, but if you want to gamble then you have to inhale the smoke. A lot of the pubs around here have done up nice outdoor areas for smokers to go. Don't know how that's gonna go during winter though.....
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I am tired of the smoking minority complaining about this law - the majority gets its way, that's politics. Smoking is a disgusting and dangerous habit, furthermore, people who work in pubs, go to pubs can have adverse health affects; not to mention the money spent by non-smokers on dry cleaning.
In 1604, King James VI/I said, "Have you not reason then to bee ashamed, and to forbeare this filthie noveltie, so basely grounded, so foolishly received and so grossely mistaken in the right use thereof? In your abuse thereof sinning against God, harming your selves both in persons and goods, and raking also thereby the marks and notes of vanitie upon you: by the custome thereof making your selves to be wondered at by all forraine civil Nations, and by all strangers that come among you, to be scorned and contemned. A custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the Nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the Lungs, and in the blacke stinking fume thereof, neerest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomelesse."
People who don't like it are free to live in any of the 27 EU countries, 14 British dependent territories, and 3 Crown Dependencies - I'm sure at least one of them won't have a ban, go live there.
There is one problem with that law: it didn't go far enough. It should've banned the sale of tobacco.
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you're right of course Mith
as a smoker, always giving up for years, but forever driven back to the silly habit... I actually welcome the ban of smoking in enclosed spaces.
I recently went to Rome where they already have this ban, and in Italy as in Europe, they smoke loads more than we do... it was so nice to goto a restaurant in which you could smell the food and not the fags and ashtrays! Everyone accepted that they went outside to smoke... and it just made it such a more pleasant experience for everyone!
Pubs, who do or dont serve food.... really... what do you want from your home, a clean smelling air... you wouldnt wish it on your home, so why elsewhere? As a smoker at the moment, I didnt mind nipping out for 5 mins to have a fag and to join my mates back .... I actually appreciated moving into a clean air..... Ive always found a smoky atmosphere, whether a smoker or a non-smoker really oppressive, even claustrophobic at times...
So, yeah, I smoke atm... but I dont mind the ban.... its not a hassle!
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"Give up smoking"
Why should we if we don't want to? - You're being as hypocritical as you say we're being! You don't want to be around smokers - and as I said, fair do's - but as I SAID, why can't they just start up non-smoking pubs to accomodate people who don't want to be around smokers?
Thats like the government trying to ban people who DONT smoke from pubs. Imagine if pubs became a "smokers-only" area - You wouldn't be happy about that, would you? I bet you'd whinge about it twice as much as us smoking minority :^ are doing in regards to the smoking ban.
If you don't like smoking - Get your own bleedin places! People have ALWAYS smoked in pubs - way back into history... from cigs to pipes and god knows what else!! Even Lord of the rings has people smoking in their Inns (Yes i'm aware its films/books, but it is documented that people smoked pipes...anyway, its just common sense.)
I mean, its not like we're saying, here, have a cig....and a lot of us are considerate and dont blow smoke in people's faces...
You say smoke in our own homes - but some of us have people who don't smoke there, too, and out of consideration we go outside, or to the PUB. When I smoke(d) down there, I was always in the room off the main room where hardly anyone sat, and I blew my smoke towards the window. A LOT of smokers are like that.
So tell me, what EXACTLY would it hurt to have non smoking pubs and leave us in peace?
So, in response to your "Stop smoking" comment....
Go somewhere else!!!
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I KNOW plenty of places that WILL still have smoking and will not give a damn about the fines and moaning non smoking customers ;)
Only place I agree to no smoking is Restaurants and shopping mall's
One day the government dip shnits will try banning smoking in your own home :D
But yeah, what is the harm in having smoking and non smoking pubs, non smokers can go do what they do and smokers can go have a pint, a fag and watch the footy :D
It is kind of taking away our "freedom" but alas, the government make the rules, we just break them he he he
*goes for a fag*
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why can't they just start up non-smoking pubs to accomodate people who don't want to be around smokers?
But why should the Government accomidate for people who are commiting slow suicide, it's a lifestyle choice and people can smoke if they want, it's got nothing to do with me, I just don't want to have to be around it, like ÉG said, it isn't any hassle. It's a lifestyle choice!
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But surely the same could be said for drinking itself??
Drinking causes FAR more problems than smoking...Higher NHS bills too.
Just think, liver conditions, drunken brawls, passing out... The amount of people who go to hospital through drinking is FAR higher than smokers...
Not everyone is a chain smoker - a lot of people are social smokers who only smoke when theyre in a pub or something. For that to do any damage the non smoker would have to be in the pub almost every night!! or at least on a very regular basis.
So on the grounds of the government funding a place for people to commit slow suicide....if thats your argument, then don't you think pubs in general are going to go soon too?...
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I am sure there are people out there who have friends who are smokers and friends who are not. And I am sure that they all like to go out at the same time to the same pub with each other. I doubt they will go to seperate pubs just because one does or doesn't like smoking. That's not practical. It's wishful thinking. There needs to be some compromise. The bans don't say you can't smoke, they just say you can't smoke in the building.
There's been no smoking in restaurants here for... ever... well not that long but it has been for a long time. Eww I can't even imagine sitting in a restaurant now and having the person behind me smoking while I am eating. That's just wrong! Same with malls and shopping centres, they've been non smoking areas for many years.
As for banning smoking in your own home... they talked about banning smoking in your own car here. Mainly if you had children in the car... It hasn't gone through yet...
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So on the grounds of the government funding a place for people to commit slow suicide....if thats your argument, then don't you think pubs in general are going to go soon too?...
Nope, because we are taught that when you get to a certain age, some alcohol is good for you, like Red Wine, and there is no harm in having an odd Pint of Beer every so often, but having an odd fag still does damage.
And yes I know, what about the people who have more than the odd pint of beer and get drunk and all of that, but they're choosing to do that even though they know that it's bad for them. Pubs still do offer the slight benefit so they won't be going.
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The ban's been going where I live for almost three years now. There is also talk of making the ban apply to public outdoor venues such as parks.
I wish the law went further to ban smokeless tobacco. Seeing people spitting on the sidewalks or walking about with cups full of brown stinky gob-juice makes me want to barf.
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I wish the law went further to ban smokeless tobacco. Seeing people spitting on the sidewalks or walking about with cups full of brown stinky gob-juice makes me want to barf.
:8o
People still do that? Wow. That's disgusting. :-\
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Nope, because we are taught that when you get to a certain age, some alcohol is good for you, like Red Wine, and there is no harm in having an odd Pint of Beer every so often, but having an odd fag still does damage.
Yes, and my point is that we're told that cigs are bad for you, but just like "bad" alcohol, that doesn't stop anyone. Can you really see many people going into a pub just for a glass of red wine?
The point is, most people never stop at the "odd pint of beer", do they?? And I bet the government stamp their feet about that too. Its not fair to stop one thing on the grounds of NHS costs, etc, and let something which costs about 10x more continue, and that'll be their argument.
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So in that case you think we should just leaglise everything?
Shall the government just legalise all Class A drugs, 'cos they might aswell if they're going to ban smoking? :8o
Plus I know a load of people who go into a pub for the odd pint of beer/glass of red wine.
I know my Dad and his collegues (sp?) do it to discuss meetings.
And I know loads of people who just meet up there just to have the odd pint.
Just because all we're told about is the bad stuff, doesn't mean there isn't any good. :)
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Except, you can't die from being near someone drinking, unless they're violent of course.
Smoking is a selfish, disgusting habit, because by smoking you're not only killing yourself but you're damaging those around you.
Pubs are for DRINKING, not SMOKING, so why should their be special pubs for smokers? ???
Hey I think they should ban smoking completely, would it really be such a bad thing if no one smoked? Sure people who smoke wont like it, but I don't think they would complain after they realise they can actually breathe fresh air. :P
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Well prepare yourselves now...
....I have officially stopped smoking!! *shock shock horror horror*
I have done without a cigarette for near 5 days now.
I cut down before I stopped.
Taking only one in the morning and one after work. T
hen I thought to myself.
Why bother with only 2?
So I quit..
The legal age for smoking should be 18 and the legal age for drinking should be 21.
Dont talk to me about less danger from drinking than smoking.
I am very much against alcohol because it ruined my family, My childhood and pretty much buggered up my head in many ways.
Drinking booze is a filthy habit too and I am sorry but I cannot be arsed with people who drink each and every night...
Smoking...drinking whatever..just dont ask for sympathy when you are dying of cancer or in need of a new liver...
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I'm all in favour of the ban.
I work in a pub/restaurant and sometimes I can't literally see for the smoke, it's disgusting. I'll admit i've tried the odd cigarette but i've never fully "taken up smoking" as it were, and trying it has made me realise how disgusting it is and has made me hate it even more.
Two of my best friends smoke too, and are trying to quit, they always end up getting back into it, I don't think they realise they're harming us too, they're always complaining that they have bad coughs etc, but we're just as bad trying to get all that gunk out of our lungs too!
I think this ban will help everyone who does smoke get a better idea of how much of a health issue smoking, and passive smoking, actually is. The warnings on cigarette packets aren't good enough in my opinion.
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Well prepare yourselves now...
....I have officially stopped smoking!! *shock shock horror horror*
I have done without a cigarette for near 5 days now.
I cut down before I stopped.
Taking only one in the morning and one after work. T
hen I thought to myself.
Why bother with only 2?
So I quit..
The legal age for smoking should be 18 and the legal age for drinking should be 21.
Dont talk to me about less danger from drinking than smoking.
I am very much against alcohol because it ruined my family, My childhood and pretty much buggered up my head in many ways.
Drinking booze is a filthy habit too and I am sorry but I cannot be arsed with people who drink each and every night...
Smoking...drinking whatever..just dont ask for sympathy when you are dying of cancer or in need of a new liver...
I agree with Pippy here! Alcohol can be as damaging, or, if not more damaging than Ciggies. I have watched my family fall apart because of it. I was in a relationship with a alchoholic for 8 years, and I was a nervous wreck for most of that time...so because of that I smoked...to calm my nerves.
I gave up for a few years recently, but unfortunately I am smoking again, since about April, when I started a new job (Which is very stressful by the way).
I was doing really well before that. I would like to give up smoking altogether. I am cutting down though. I am neither for nor against the smoking ban. I just hope it will encourage me to quit for good!
Maybe if they stopped selling tobacco, I would have more chance of quitting...lol.
(But then the ordinary tax payer would have to shell out more, because the tobacco sales (or lack thereof) would not be making any money for the govt to fill their coffers, and by their Jags...)
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I didnt know it was you there Waelith ^_^
All you need to do to stop smoking and this works for me because I was on like 40 a day I am sure!
I drank more tea muwaha! Like 50 cups of tea a day ::) Crazy stuff I agree but still that's the way it goes. I am sure you will stop smoking Waelith!
I need healthy bodeeeeh! for me to carry my children :D my test tube babies of course hehe ;) Also I wanted to be able to wake up in the morning and not want a smoke.
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We should ban Driving, flights, big huge intoxicating ships and barges, factories that let off many many MANY intoxicants etc etc etc :D
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Well personally I cant wait for this ban to take place. I understand the stubborn group of smokers who know what theyr doing is bad for them and dont care (just like those who drink waaaay too much alcohol all the time) want to have places they can go out as groups, but tbh, Mith did make a fairly good point, unfortunately the way politics works is what the majority wants.
Secondly, if you did have some non smoking and some smoking pubs, what about the people that work there. What if the smoking pub troubles their lungs but they cant get a job elsewhere and by quitting theyr job they cant get full benefits like being fired. I work in a pub so I know what it is to work amongst all the second hand smoke and I hate it. The days when I am working the smoking area I come home coughing, with stingy eyes and I stink of stale smoke. All my work clothes have to go through the wash. It gets extremely expensive to be washnig it continuously like that.
So yeah, I appreciate that there are some who dont want to have to go out of their way to accomodate the majority, but hey, sometimes, life sucks. At least the majority are happy ay, and from the sounds of it, a large portion of the minority are happy with the ban too.
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I agree, people like fresh air and shouldn't've have to put up with the toxicants other smokers breath out.
I find it ludicrous that there is talk about accommodating the majority. Due to the change in the law, we now have smoke free pubs, so your argument is redundant. I doubt very much if this law will ever be repealed, the majority of people are happy with it, so smokers who don't like it will just have to accept it.
To say that because there has always been smoking in pubs is a redundant argument as far as I'm concerned. Fox Hunting had always happened, there was always hereditary peers, etc. etc. Things change, times change.
And, while we're on the subject on a bad on alcohol - I wouldn't mind that either!
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To be honest, I'm torn between both arguments.
I'm a social smoker, sounds stupid I know but I am. I always smoke when I go out with my mates. And no, I don't smoke because everyone else is and I wanna fit in. That's not the case, I smoke because I want to and I like to have a smoke now and again. I have many friends who smoke as well as family relatives who do smoke and they're gonna have a job to smoke when on a night out.
However, I don't have a huge problem with the ban because there won't be any second hand smoke and pubs will be cleaner and healthier than they are right now. Some days, I don't want to smoke and I don't want to breathe in other people's smoke. Now people, if you want to try and contradict what I just said, I'm game but don't bother, really. Another possible problem that could occur from this ban could be that pubs could lose money as their previous customers who are smokers won't be able to go into the pub anymore.
I know I'm going a bit off topic now, but I noticed that a couple of people on here were talking about alcohol and stuff. I'm sorry but I highly doubt that the Government will ban us from drinking alcohol. Why? Because the majority in the UK drink and again, businesses/pubs could be affected because they could lose a lot of money from it.
And bringing the legal age to drink alcohol to 21 in the UK? Sorry, but I think it's a bad idea because a majority of university students are under 21 and student unions could lose a huge amount of money from that.
Anyway, back on topic now. Smokers may not be happy about it, pubs could be affected as they could lose money as customers who are smokers can't go into their pubs anymore but one thing about this ban that is the most pointless of all is that, Wales go through the smoking ban first. The law comes in tomorrow while England don't bring in this ban until May. That is absolutely stupid, if they are going to bring in a law such as this one, the ban should come in at the same time for each country.
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The ban comes in to effect here in Wales tomorrow, finally!
I don't see what a big fuss it's all about, the majority of pubs/clubs have outside beer gardens and outdoor facilities for it's customers, and now the nicer weather is coming in, most people will be willing to sit outside anyway, with the owners of these establishments still getting the same amount of money.
It's a great thing!
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Smoking ban or not, I will probably still go down the pub, but what I would really like to happen is that it encourages me to quit altogether. I am thinking of going on a stop smoking plan soon. I am kind of fed up with smoking. The only thing I am dreading when I do give up is the cravings and the irritableness and the moodiness. I think I might need a padded cell for a week. lol. But I am wanting to be smoke free by the summer.
Now I am not at that job anymore I might find it easier to pack up the ciggies.
Wish me luck peeps. :D
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Good luck! I hope you can manage it Waelith, it'll be so great for you when you manage to quit! :D
One thing I have to say: I love this ban :D Pubs and clubs feel so much cleaner and it's nice to be in there to socialise now! Although some pubs in my town are sneaking around the rules, tut tut.
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Yup. I know its not doing my health any good. I am gonna go for one of those smoking cessation clinics on Friday. lol :D
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Pubs on the whole, as far as I know, began as a venue for the community to meet and socialise. Of course, in those days, nobody understood the dangers of any intoxicant, whether it's legal or not in 2007. They would have smoked opium and marijuana as well as tobacco, and then drunk the alcohol. These were passtimes that allowed the civilian to relax, which we all enjoy.. relaxing with our mates.
If you take away smoking AND drinking, you don't lose the original purpose of the Public House. You may lose a lot of its business, as the alcoholics would no longer return there for their fix and smokers would be banned. The same with Nightclubs. Less business, but those who come for the social and the music and dancing will still come. As always, there'll be some arse who sneaks in his own bottle of vodka, and he'll get removed from the premises.
So why not? Let's ban public drinking too!
I love to go to pubs with my friends, but I don't smoke and I just HATE coming home my hair and clothes full of ash and smoke, it's disgusting. I rarely drink and drunk people make me uncomfortable. They behave differently to sober people and I lose my ability to trust even the ones I adore, when they're drunk.
In regards to banning smoking in your car.. why not? You can't drive under the influence of alcohol or other drugs... Nicotine is a drug. Whilst it doesn't have the same drastic effects as estacy or marijuana or other illegal drugs, think how little effect you feel a single drink has? "Oh I'm fine, I'm not even tipsy!!". Your perception and reactions will still be clouded. Therefore your driving ability is affected. I'd like to see results on an experiment to find the effect smoking has on drivers and the frequency of accidents.
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In regards to banning smoking in your car.. why not? You can't drive under the influence of alcohol or other drugs... Nicotine is a drug. Whilst it doesn't have the same drastic effects as estacy or marijuana or other illegal drugs, think how little effect you feel a single drink has? "Oh I'm fine, I'm not even tipsy!!". Your perception and reactions will still be clouded. Therefore your driving ability is affected. I'd like to see results on an experiment to find the effect smoking has on drivers and the frequency of accidents.
Whilst I agree its a good idea to ban smoking in cars... although, it is the person's personal domain and they should have the right to decide.... I personally dont like the smell of smoke in a car... and it is very unhealthy in such a small confined space, even with the windows open.
However I do disagree that it affects the way you drive, unless you drop a lit ciggie on your lap. Smoking doesnt affect your ability to think or concentrate at all. Whereas other even lesser drugs, certainly do... marijuana and alcohol.... if smoking had these affects it would have been legally banned long ago. Your driving ability is not affected at all.... apart from perhaps the fact that you are holding something in your hand.... but it carries no more risk than carrying a pencil in your hand whilst driving... if we are talking about the ability to react and concentrate.
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Ok, i've now quit smoking (well, am in the process), and Daniel's following suit on July 1st so i thought id talk in here again.
I still don't agree with the ban in pubs... They should at least have smoke rooms.
Workplaces, clubs, shops, cafe's, etc, fair enough. Clubs are VERY crowded places, so the sheer amount of people in there smoking is a bad idea...cafe's, well, they sell food, so the risk of contamination. Shops are usually very small and can sell food, so i agree for the same reasons as above...same with workplaces.
But, the majority of pubs nowadays are just "locals". Everyone knows everyone, and they know who's going to smoke - and most of the time, they dont complain because they're used to it and its not a problem.
In my opinion, the reason the Government is banning smoking in pubs is because they're trying to operate a bloanket ban on any enclosed spaces. I haven't personally heard one argument that convinces me why people shouldn't smoke in a pub, or have non smoking pubs. I don't see why pubs can't be a haven for smokers, who get dirty looks for smoking on the streets.
I can bet you any money that, despite the threatened fine, all we will see on the streets in a couple of months will be cigarette butts. People already drop their butts while out and about, but imagine all the people, cast out of the pubs, slightly inebriated, throwing their butts on the ground. I bet there will be big stinking piles of them in the corners between a building and a pathway where they're kicked or dropped, they'll be dropped down drains...etc.
And I actually agree with not smoking while driving... my dad used to do it and he used to hang his hand out of the window.... and a lot of people throw their butts out of the window into the path of oncoming cars. Its stupid - you're not allowed to throw anything else out of the window so why throw that? On impact with a windscreen, the lit cigarette sparks as it goes out...its just dangerous.
Anyway, thats my opinion, and its not likely to change....Pubs should remain smoking places...as you said, there are seats outside a lot of the time...so why dont the NON smokers sit there?
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I read some stupid story in the newspaper the other day that Government workers, Police officers, ambulance staff etc etc will not enter your house If you are smoking... kind of taking away FREEDOM is it not :o
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Not at all. I would never go into someones house who smokes, especially if they were smoking whilst I was there.
If I went to a smokers house, while there I would still be passive smoking. It's fair enough if the person wants to smoke in their home - thats their choice- but I would not visit one of my groups if I knew they were smoking there, because my health is alot more important.
So yeah, I agree with that.
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I read some stupid story in the newspaper the other day that Government workers, Police officers, ambulance staff etc etc will not enter your house If you are smoking... kind of taking away FREEDOM is it not :o
That's stupid really.
I smoke, but I dont smoke in my house.
But what about old people?
Do the goverment really expect them to go outside in the cold and the ass kicking rain?
The goverment doesn't understand that old people are used to smoking in their own homes, it wasn't a bad thing to do when they started, and then they do this?
So if an old woman or man falls down the stairs in their house are they just going to leave them there to die just because they smoke?
Well if they do then I will be very socked.
Smoking is disgusting to someone who doesnt smoke, I agree.
But when it comes between someone who doesn't want to go into the house and the fact that ther could be someone in ther dying.........
And Btw what you have to think is...
Is it the opinion of the actual workers who go out there everyday or the goverment who doesnt have a clue?
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I read some stupid story in the newspaper the other day that Government workers, Police officers, ambulance staff etc etc will not enter your house If you are smoking... kind of taking away FREEDOM is it not :o
That's stupid really.
I smoke, but I dont smoke in my house.
But what about old people?
Do the goverment really expect them to go outside in the cold and the ass kicking rain?
The goverment doesn't understand that old people are used to smoking in their own homes, it wasn't a bad thing to do when they started, and then they do this?
So if an old woman or man falls down the stairs in their house are they just going to leave them there to die just because they smoke?
Well if they do then I will be very socked.
Smoking is disgusting to someone who doesnt smoke, I agree.
But when it comes between someone who doesn't want to go into the house and the fact that ther could be someone in ther dying.........
And Btw what you have to think is...
Is it the opinion of the actual workers who go out there everyday or the goverment who doesnt have a clue?
I think this has been slightly taken out of context: the proposal, I believe, was that civil servants and public sector employees would not enter your house if you were in the act of smoking at that very moment, not if you were simply a smoker. The rationale behind it was that all workers are protected from smoke in buildings in the workplace, so going to your house is an extension of that workplace.
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Admittedly I didn't read through any of the posts in this topic (except to skim over the original post).. ::)
BUT! I'd like to point out that there are some people who have breathing issues, like asthma, who can't be around smokers because the secondhand smoke (which is JUST as POISONOUS!) makes it difficult to breathe..
In Georgia there is now a law that prohibits smoking in any public building, restaurant, workplace, bar/ club, city hall, courthouse, etc.! I very much appreciate this because I can enjoy myself without having an asthma attack.. I don't wish to smoke but being around smokers and inhaling the secondhand smoke is just the same as, if not worse than, smoking myself.. I don't want to smell like smoke, I don't want to taste smoke while I'm trying to eat, I don't want to breathe it in.. I just generally don't like and don't approve of smoking.. Personal preference..
Now, there is proof that secondhand smoke, particularly in children, WILL cause them to suffer from asthma.. Look at fact #15..
thetruth.com (http://www.thetruth.com/facts/) : The first few factoids are relevant.. But consider all the facts as smoking does indeed affect other people in a negative way - it's not just about preference..