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Title: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Peacekeeper on November 18, 2005, 05:05:23 PM
I think that political correctness has gone too far this year!!

I mean bannin christmas, whats that all about??? they sed it were because it may offend other faiths, but when dey took a survey, no other faiths in this country were offended by it as it is a british institution and as were in britain, how can it be changed.

DOWN WITH THE PC BRIGADE!!!!!
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Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Waelith on November 18, 2005, 05:18:41 PM
Oh for flibble sake... *sorry about my use of language* but what the hells going on? Who's banning Xmas?
The government or something?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jolay on November 18, 2005, 05:31:37 PM
I don't think the government are banning it, but they've stopped alot of shops having xmas decorations in their windows, and some schools aren't allowed to have a nativity play anymore....
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on November 18, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
I'm happy about it. I hate Christmas because a) I am an atheist b) it is just an excuse for shops to get money.

Sorry if that's scroogy, but I just don't like it.

But 99% of the time I would agree with you about political correctness (Christmas and the use of AD/CE are two examples when I won't).
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: *‡‡ T ļ f a ‡‡* on November 18, 2005, 08:20:43 PM
..He's a mean one - Mister Grinch..


Hahahah, banning Christmas...next it'll be puppy dogs and rainbows, mark my words. As if Christmas is really about the Christian faith anymore anyway.


But hey, if you want political uncorrectness watch an episode or two of American Dad.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on November 19, 2005, 01:22:59 AM
I'm not bothered whether it's really about Christianity now or not. The fact is it is a Christian celebration, one which I hate.

You want "political uncorrectness" go to a BNP seminar...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Waelith on November 19, 2005, 07:53:32 PM
I am not religious, or anything like that, but I have always been brouhgt up to believe its the one time of year that the family should spend a day together...(Non existent scenario with my family these days, but still...) I dont think they should ban Xmas.::)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Shadowfax on November 19, 2005, 08:19:42 PM
why ban christmas?  Its christian, but EVERYONE gets 2 weeks holiday
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 19, 2005, 08:29:05 PM
[politically incorrect] If this country and much of the world continues on this trend you might as well hand the country to the Muslims and make it the Islamist Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.[/politically incorrect]

 I have decided I cannot stand idle when c-r-a-p like this happens. Earlier on this week they said religious jokes will be banned and you are liable to be prosecuted for up to 7 years depending on the extent of the offence.

 I'm so waiting for the nuclear winter or mad max days (whichever first) and when it happens I already have a whole list of people to go and visit (to slap them proper) :n: :e:

 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 19, 2005, 09:00:41 PM
Grrr...this politically correct world is so Stupid!  It really gets on my nerves living in such a restricted place.

Not even say racist jokes?  I'm sure the OTHER people living in this country, such as Muslims and whatever, make plenty about us, but they won't get 'told off'.

And I'm not Christian, far from it, I'm Wiccan, so I do celebrate Yule, but not Christmas Day....but banning Christmas because it might offend someone?

If they're so offended by OUR traditions, they can bloody well go back to their own country!

Gah, you live in Britain, you live LIKE a Briton...that should be new law  >(
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: legy on November 19, 2005, 09:14:08 PM
If they're going to ban christmas they are going to have to ban Ramadan and Hyneca (sp?) ect as well!

We call it Christmas and if other people from other countries find that offensive here in the UK then should they go back to their own country?!  >(
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 19, 2005, 09:17:07 PM
If they're going to ban christmas they are going to have to ban Ramadan and Hyneca (sp?) ect as well!

We call it Christmas and if other people from other countries find that offensive here in the UK then should they go back to their own country?!  >(

Agreed  :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 19, 2005, 09:34:30 PM
 It's like me. I'm a guest to this country, and I do not like the food but hell you can eat it all if you like, it's your choice after all.

 It's just not right when people go around the world and expect to turn the place they live in a little niche ressembling their place of origin.

 Some people should just be banned from travelling, or even from living.  :fr:

 And yes you do get jokes from their part.

 it's funny the double standards isn't it?

 You can say Jihad, but you cannot say Crusade (when Jihad is the same s-h-i-t-e a holy war)
 
 You cannot refer to them as anything but muslim but they can refer to you as infidels (there's a denigrative word for it which they use in their circles)

 You can call an Australian and Aussie without them getting upset, a New Zealander and Kiwi without them being offended, but you can't call a Pakistani a Paki.

 Yes I agree that when used with an abusive tone it's not accetable, but what the hell? I come from Venezuela, and I'm a frigging Vennie, do I get upset?

 It shouldn't amaze me anymore, after all I know this world will go wrong, and this country is heading there faster than most.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 19, 2005, 10:32:18 PM
Exactly.  I totally agree.  I can't see how these people who live here, who are not from here originally, get to set our standards.  They seem to make the rules here  :dry:

When we visit certain places, we are expected to abide by their rules.  For example, I can't think what country it is, but women aren't allowed to show their shoulders, so most women from the UK don't were strappy or sleeveless tops. 

It just gets on my nerves how Britain is so much of a push-over
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jolay on November 19, 2005, 10:48:40 PM
It's strange because most Muslims etc. aren't offended by people celebrating Christmas anyways.... so there shouldn't really be any problem, but the Government are petrified something is going to happen if they do offend Muslims (or anyone else that doesn't celebrate xmas...).

It's rather ridiculous all this political correctness mumbo jumbo, when no-one gets offended in the first place, waste of time....

I agree Icy, Britain really is a push-over.... :dry:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Peacekeeper on November 20, 2005, 01:43:30 AM
I am not religious, or anything like that, but I have always been brouhgt up to believe its the one time of year that the family should spend a day together...(Non existent scenario with my family these days, but still...) I dont think they should ban Xmas.::)

Thats what christmas is to me, its all about family and being with them, yes its about christianity too, but 2 me its about family
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on November 20, 2005, 03:47:16 AM
You know, the scary thing about this is, just how far will it go?  I cannot believe that this is happening just because there arent enough people to defend the Christian festival.  It is politically incorrect to pick on a minority religion isnt it?  Just because these days most Brits are no longer Christian that is NO reason to discriminate against Christianity. 

Personally, it does not apply to me I am certainly no Christian.  But I find it offensive that Christianity is being treated in such a ragged fashion just because there are less Christians around these days. 

AAANNDDD.... surely if WE think this way there are many many others in this country who feel the same way too.  We need a voice.  The Brits in this country need a voice to represent us in parliament.  Hang on... arent we already supposed to have one of them?  Oh yes.... Your local member of parliament is the one to write to and complain.  I am so gonna do this.  We HAVE to do this.  Dont you see?  It is because we sit back and say and do nothing that this sort of thing gets in.

We HAVE to take some action. 

*writes to her local mp immediately*   :-\ :o
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: angleseyboi on November 20, 2005, 04:55:16 AM

We need a voice.  The Brits in this country need a voice to represent us in parliament.  Hang on... arent we already supposed to have one of them?  Oh yes.... Your local member of parliament is the one to write to and complain.  I am so gonna do this.  We HAVE to do this.  Dont you see?  It is because we sit back and say and do nothing that this sort of thing gets in.

We HAVE to take some action. 

*writes to her local mp immediately*   :-\ :o

They wont listen to you, we need a massive shake up in government to do that.

LETS FORM A PEOPLE'S REBELLION AND OVERTHROW OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT!!!!!
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Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 20, 2005, 05:05:43 AM

We need a voice.  The Brits in this country need a voice to represent us in parliament.  Hang on... arent we already supposed to have one of them?  Oh yes.... Your local member of parliament is the one to write to and complain.  I am so gonna do this.  We HAVE to do this.  Dont you see?  It is because we sit back and say and do nothing that this sort of thing gets in.

We HAVE to take some action. 

*writes to her local mp immediately*   :-\ :o

They wont listen to you, we need a massive shake up in government to do that.

LETS FORM A PEOPLE'S REBELLION AND OVERTHROW OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT!!!!!
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 I'm up for that!   :PP

 Wait I could be done for that :ph34r: I will watch from behind and cheer for your cause instead, and be water boy too, aaaand can give you battle strategy, a very good strategist I am  :angel:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: angleseyboi on November 20, 2005, 05:17:49 AM
I'll hold you up 2 that H˙llyn lol

I shall overthrow tony bliar and george bush, overthrow the UN, and place myself as emperor of the world after declaring it the territory of the TERRAN EMPIRE!!!!!

Mwahahahahahahahaha, mwahahahahahahahaha, mwahahahahahahahaha  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 20, 2005, 05:28:26 AM
 Ok, so long as you let me set up a smithy at #10 Downing Street :pk:

 Nah add to that the Houses of Parliament as my outlet premises and then will help ya  :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: angleseyboi on November 20, 2005, 05:31:45 AM
Ok, so long as you let me set up a smithy at #10 Downing Street :pk:

 Nah add to that the Houses of Parliament as my outlet premises and then will help ya  :laugh:

U can be the minister for blacksmithing  :P
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on November 20, 2005, 04:53:55 PM
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Gah, you live in Britain, you live LIKE a Briton...that should be new law 

Aye, right. That's integration, which happens in France...and look what happened there. So with that statement, you think it's right for Muslim headsarves to be banned? That's not right Icy, that's discrimination, and racial prejudice by the back door.

Although I see where you're coming from though....it's a bit pathetic really, but Christmas isn't a Christian holiday anymore, it's just a marketing ploy when people buy, sell, recieve, give. Instead of banning it, it should be renamed to Capitalistmas. ;)

In saying that, I read a headline of the Daily Star (which in itself, questions the legitamacy of the story) that Piggy Banks were going to be banned because it's offensive to Muslims, which is pathetic.**







** = Note that it's from the Daily Star, a paper which is trashy, full of racist tripe and the headline is as far as I went, I wouldnt be caught dead reading that trash.  :8o
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on November 20, 2005, 05:27:19 PM
Christmas IS a Christian holiday for practicing Christians Phil.  I know people who go to church on Christmas day etc etc ..... just because the capitalist pigs (no not pigs it could be construed as offensive I know.....dogs...((or would that be offensive to Chinese people??!!))  have got hold of it doesnt mean that Christians do not still regard it in the same light. 

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Aye, right. That's integration, which happens in France...and look what happened there
  Nevertheless, that is the way to go though.  Separate communities within communities are what cause the problems. 

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So with that statement, you think it's right for Muslim headsarves to be banned?
  No one has banned headscarves of any kind in public places.  Each school has a right to adhere to their uniform rules with EVERYONE.  Children with innapropriate colour hair, or inappropriate clothing have always been excluded in order to get them to conform to the school rules.  You see, if the parents dont like the school rules then they can move their children to a school that DOES allow such things.  Freedom of choice does NOT just apply to Muslims.... it applies to EVERYONE.  I think that is fundamentally what is going wrong.

I work in a place that claims to respect everyone whatever race, colour or creed they are.  I would say that as a white Brit I am definately in the minority there and it is an interesting feeling to have.    However, back to the point. 

All the Muslims who work there were allowed to take time off for the Muslim holidays.... they were allowed special breaks to adhere to their fasting last month...but when it came to Divali last week (or whenever it was)  people had to really fight to get the day off for it.  So..... where is the equality in that?  One of my friends there is a Muslim and she said to me that it just wasnt right that the Jewish festival was not given the same creedence as the Muslim ones and I have to agree with her. 

You see, the pendulum seems to have to tipped too far in one direction and in view of some peoples religious fundamentalism/fanaticism it is an extremely worrying trend. 

In my opinion political correctness needs to be balanced.  Somehow it needs to be regulated.  Somehow there needs to be some sanity brought to bear within its bounds.  Dont you think? 

And, incidentally, you are wrong about your local MP.  They are voted in to represent us.  If enough people write to their local MP on a certain issue, they are morally bound to bring it up in Parliament for discussion.  They are morally bound to say that they are representing their constituents in whatever issue they are discussing.  The more noise we make about something, the more will be done.  The main problem is that most Brits are either too lazy or too downtrodden to say anything! 

Oh incidentally, you may or may not be interested in this.  But the employer I am referring to is Royal Mail.  A long standing British institution. 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 20, 2005, 07:40:04 PM
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Gah, you live in Britain, you live LIKE a Briton...that should be new law 

Aye, right. That's integration, which happens in France...and look what happened there. So with that statement, you think it's right for Muslim headsarves to be banned? That's not right Icy, that's discrimination, and racial prejudice by the back door.

Who cares if its discrimination?  They (whoever they are :|) want to ban Christmas...why can't I want to ban Headscarves? 

I can't see the logic in it at all...If people live here, they SHOULD abide by our rules.  They are guests in this country, they should live as if they are part of our country. 

If they don't like it, send them back to wherever they came from, because I sure as heck don't want them living near me.

Anyway, the deal with Christmas...these people who want to ban it are idiots.  I wouldn't call it a Christian holiday anymore, because everyone celebrates it almost.  But its a nice time of year where people have fun, and feel content and be with family and friends.

Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: legy on November 20, 2005, 10:23:32 PM
-^- ditto!

If they don't like our religion and our traditions (i mean lets face it, it IS a tradition) then they can bog off back to wherever it is they came from originally!

And before anyone says i am racist or whatever, i'm not! That comment was strictly aimed at people who were orginally not from our country!  8)  :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 20, 2005, 10:48:22 PM
-^- ditto!

If they don't like our religion and our traditions (i mean lets face it, it IS a tradition) then they can bog off back to wherever it is they came from originally!

And before anyone says i am racist or whatever, i'm not! That comment was strictly aimed at people who were orginally not from our country!  8)  :)

 Legy, the problem is not one of colour of skin, the problem is one of religious fundamentalism and its consequences, so I don't think it's racist to despise people for their religion (or all of their religions) as opposed to their colour of skin.  :fr:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: legy on November 20, 2005, 10:52:42 PM
I wasn't talking about being racist through the colour of people's skin, i was talking about it through their religion. :)
I know it's not about skin colour! It's quite evident that it's not to be honest. ::) :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 20, 2005, 11:16:51 PM
 I wasn't disagreeing with you Legy, I was just trying to explain your point with more depth rather than asuming people could.  ::)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on November 20, 2005, 11:30:55 PM
I'm honestly disgusted at what I'm reading here. It's sad to know that in an apparent liberal society we've people with these sort of views. I'd expect it in the BNP or National Front manifesto, honestly.

Disgusting.

And no, it isnt racism, it's sectarianism.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: EG on November 21, 2005, 12:04:57 AM
I agree

can we get this discussion on more of a level please.  Try to talk about the apparant banning of Christmas, without getting down to slagging of different people's religions :-\

thanks
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 21, 2005, 12:10:48 AM
I'm honestly disgusted at what I'm reading here. It's sad to know that in an apparent liberal society we've people with these sort of views. I'd expect it in the BNP or National Front manifesto, honestly.

Disgusting.

And no, it isnt racism, it's sectarianism.

 Liberal it is Phil, and just as your opinion is valid, so is anyone else's.

 Try and give me one reason to not consider Religions as the source of all tragedies?

  ::)

 You cannot go down to any level (or up) because what it is down to is to what can be offensive to people of different credos.

 Let's face it , if it was Jews blowing themselves up they would be trying to appease Jews not Muslims, and the same with Buddhists, Christians, Santeros, etc

 The inability to face up to the nature of the problem is what ends up extending the permanence of the issue in a stage of non solution.

 It's as simple as that.

 And what's wrong with saying it anyway? Colour of skin does not make anyone become a martyr, beliefs do.

 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: angleseyboi on November 21, 2005, 04:31:43 AM
my views are my own (sian and sharon shud know them pretty well), but i am a slightly grown up gayer version of stewie from family guy

THE WORLD IS MINE!!! MINE!!!!![/b]
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 21, 2005, 05:27:24 AM
I'm honestly disgusted at what I'm reading here. It's sad to know that in an apparent liberal society we've people with these sort of views. I'd expect it in the BNP or National Front manifesto, honestly.

Disgusting.

And no, it isnt racism, it's sectarianism.

 Liberal it is Phil, and just as your opinion is valid, so is anyone else's.

 Try and give me one reason to not consider Religions as the source of all tragedies?

  ::)

 You cannot go down to any level (or up) because what it is down to is to what can be offensive to people of different credos.

 Let's face it , if it was Jews blowing themselves up they would be trying to appease Jews not Muslims, and the same with Buddhists, Christians, Santeros, etc

 The inability to face up to the nature of the problem is what ends up extending the permanence of the issue in a stage of non solution.

 It's as simple as that.

 And what's wrong with saying it anyway? Colour of skin does not make anyone become a martyr, beliefs do.

 

I totally agree with you Nil.

Our opinions are ours.  We listen to yours, so listen to ours.  You don't have to agree, but respect it.

How is it disgutsing to have an opinion Phil? 

I could be offened by Christianity in some respects. 

Being Wiccan, which is a Pagan-based Religion, I could get offened by how the Christian's celebrate Halloween and dress up as stereotyped witches.  I could get offended by how they claim Satan is an evil God, when they took the God from the Pagan religion, which is good.  I could get offended by the way you see crosses and such emlazoned (sp?) on buildings, and cars, etc, when if I wear my Pentagram, I somehow get funny looks and I'm considered 'scary' and I worship the 'devil'.

Do I want these things banned?  No.  I live with them, and I realise that this is how these people live.  They enjoy dressing up as witches at Halloween, which is not even a Christian holiday.  I accept that Satan has been morphed from a good God into the Lord of all Evil.  I live with the fact I have to be more cautious with the symbols of my religion when the Christians don't have to be.

I think everyone has a right to say what they think, against anything, even peoples religions.  What I have said in this topic is my opinion, and I stand by it.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on November 22, 2005, 04:51:17 AM
Grrr...this politically correct world is so Stupid!  It really gets on my nerves living in such a restricted place.

Not even say racist jokes?  I'm sure the OTHER people living in this country, such as Muslims and whatever, make plenty about us, but they won't get 'told off'.

And I'm not Christian, far from it, I'm Wiccan, so I do celebrate Yule, but not Christmas Day....but banning Christmas because it might offend someone?

If they're so offended by OUR traditions, they can bloody well go back to their own country!

Gah, you live in Britain, you live LIKE a Briton...that should be new law  >(
Send them back to their own country? What country is that? Many muslims are born in Britain and own a British citizenship, and what about those white muslims, where will you send them too, antartica?

I can't find any links on banning christmas, please give me some.

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You can say Jihad, but you cannot say Crusade (when Jihad is the same s-h-i-t-e a holy war)

You cannot refer to them as anything but muslim but they can refer to you as infidels (there's a denigrative word for it which they use in their circles)

You can call an Australian and Aussie without them getting upset, a New Zealander and Kiwi without them being offended, but you can't call a Pakistani a Paki.

Yes I agree that when used with an abusive tone it's not accetable, but what the hell? I come from Venezuela, and I'm a frigging Vennie, do I get upset?

It shouldn't amaze me anymore, after all I know this world will go wrong, and this country is heading there faster than most.
First of all, British muslims are growing, and many are white. You can't say Jihad without getting ya head kicked in, the Crusades where over 800 years ago. The catholic church and protestant churches have a good time calling people infidels, blasphemers and everything under the sun, the media just doesn't make a fus about it.

Paki is used as a degratory term, Aussie isn't.

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Exactly.  I totally agree.  I can't see how these people who live here, who are not from here originally, get to set our standards.  They seem to make the rules here 
The British had a good time setting standards across half the world with their British empire. These people for the most part pay their taxes to the British government, any that don't, well, is the same as a white briton not paying their taxes.

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In saying that, I read a headline of the Daily Star (which in itself, questions the legitamacy of the story) that Piggy Banks were going to be banned because it's offensive to Muslims, which is pathetic.**
That won't happen. Honestly, who the f*ck uses a piggy bank after 5 years old in the first place. I certainly don't.


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Who cares if its discrimination?  They (whoever they are :|) want to ban Christmas...why can't I want to ban Headscarves? 
Because your not Christian, therefore Christmas shouldn't matter to you.

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totally agree with you Nil.

Our opinions are ours.  We listen to yours, so listen to ours.  You don't have to agree, but respect it.
the national front don't like jews or muslims, irish, blacks, and people from other countries in general, are their veiws respected? "well thats your opinion and your entitled to it" isn't a valid arguement.

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Being Wiccan, which is a Pagan-based Religion, I could get offened by how the Christian's celebrate Halloween and dress up as stereotyped witches.  I could get offended by how they claim Satan is an evil God, when they took the God from the Pagan religion, which is good.  I could get offended by the way you see crosses and such emlazoned (sp?) on buildings, and cars, etc, when if I wear my Pentagram, I somehow get funny looks and I'm considered 'scary' and I worship the 'devil'.

Do I want these things banned?  No.  I live with them, and I realise that this is how these people live.  They enjoy dressing up as witches at Halloween, which is not even a Christian holiday.  I accept that Satan has been morphed from a good God into the Lord of all Evil.  I live with the fact I have to be more cautious with the symbols of my religion when the Christians don't have to be.
right, and lets be honest here. Do you think the government will actually plan to ban christmas, get it through the commons, get it through the lords and impliment it, in a majorly christian white society?.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 22, 2005, 05:27:58 AM
Did I say they would ban it?  NO!

Jeez, I'm just trying to validate my opinion, which I did well I think.  Don't try and turn it round on me.  This isn't about whether they will ban Christmas or not, its our thoughts on it in General.

I know I'm not Christian, and Christmas doesn't matter to me anymore.  But I don't agree with a banning of it. 

And when I say to send people back to their own country...why not?  Even if they were born here, they should live like us.

How can anyone come here, and try and change our way of life?  Why should we bend to what they want?  They should abide by our rules, being guests in our country. 

I dunno, maybe I just love my country too much to see it get ruined by too many people, many of which don't even belong here.  Many of which want to ban everything under the sun here.

It makes me sick  :dry:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on November 22, 2005, 05:29:13 AM
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How can anyone come here, and try and change our way of life?  Why should we bend to what they want?  They should abide by our rules, being guests in our country.

Did I miss something? Who's trying to change peoples way of life?

And they're not guests, shut up. They're tax-paying citizens, just like you and me. Wise up.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 22, 2005, 05:30:17 AM
:|

Banning Christmas is the topic...remember?  :dry:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on November 22, 2005, 05:32:12 AM
How the HELL is christmas going to be banned? Don't be stupid.

As Jim said, to have such a motion, it needs to go thru parliament. Now, whos gonna vote for a ban on Xmas? You might say Muslims, but I dont think a whole 12 votes of ethnic minoritys out of 644 white MP's will make a difference now would it?

Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 22, 2005, 05:33:12 AM
I didn't SAY it was going to get banned!  SOMEONE obviously wants it banned, I'm just saying how stupid it is!!

JESUS!!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on November 22, 2005, 05:36:57 AM
Hehe, sorry, just saw the Irony in me using the term 'Jesus'  :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on November 22, 2005, 05:52:34 AM
Did I say they would ban it?  NO!

Jeez, I'm just trying to validate my opinion, which I did well I think.  Don't try and turn it round on me.  This isn't about whether they will ban Christmas or not, its our thoughts on it in General.

I know I'm not Christian, and Christmas doesn't matter to me anymore.  But I don't agree with a banning of it. 

And when I say to send people back to their own country...why not?  Even if they were born here, they should live like us.

How can anyone come here, and try and change our way of life?  Why should we bend to what they want?  They should abide by our rules, being guests in our country. 

I dunno, maybe I just love my country too much to see it get ruined by too many people, many of which don't even belong here.  Many of which want to ban everything under the sun here.

It makes me sick  :dry:
If you didn't say they would ban it, then why are you complaining? It shouldn't make a difference to the lives of anyone who feel "sickened" by this. Your thoughts and my thoughts ultimately don't matter on it, you can't validate an arguement based on secterianism. You can't just stand up and say "sent them back to their own country". Many live and grew up in Britain like you, only they aren't white and practise a different faith as part of the three major world religions. They shouldn't abide by your rules, they're as British as anyone and as such have a right to voice what they think as British Citizens in this joke of a democratic country/union. Who don't belong in Britain? I'm not British but I'm governed by them, should I be sent down to the South of Ireland?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 22, 2005, 05:54:17 PM
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Grrr...this politically correct world is so Stupid!  It really gets on my nerves living in such a restricted place.

Not even say racist jokes?  I'm sure the OTHER people living in this country, such as Muslims and whatever, make plenty about us, but they won't get 'told off'.

And I'm not Christian, far from it, I'm Wiccan, so I do celebrate Yule, but not Christmas Day....but banning Christmas because it might offend someone?

If they're so offended by OUR traditions, they can bloody well go back to their own country!

Gah, you live in Britain, you live LIKE a Briton...that should be new law  >(
Send them back to their own country? What country is that? Many muslims are born in Britain and own a British citizenship, and what about those white muslims, where will you send them too, antartica?

 Many are born in Britain indeed, however figures from the Home Office show that more than 60% of Muslim families currently set up here consist of marriages featuring two cousins or close relations. Sending anyone, anywhere is a different issue, it certainly becomes relevant when acts of extreme nature take place.  During the riots in France the government considered deporting to muslim countries all muslim immigrants who were involved in the riots, does it sound fair? it does to me. I certainly would take you personally out of my house if you were insulting my hospitality no matter how bad it be (in reference to France's failed politics of integration).

 Of course the wishy washers liberal demo-s-h-i-t-e-s kicked a fuss there but isn't that all they do?
 
 Also I'm sure that on the issue of repatriation/deportation some of these muslims consider Muslim countries their second homes, it shouldn't be such an issue with living in one of them after all.


 
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You can say Jihad, but you cannot say Crusade (when Jihad is the same s-h-i-t-e a holy war)

You cannot refer to them as anything but muslim but they can refer to you as infidels (there's a denigrative word for it which they use in their circles)

You can call an Australian and Aussie without them getting upset, a New Zealander and Kiwi without them being offended, but you can't call a Pakistani a Paki.

Yes I agree that when used with an abusive tone it's not accetable, but what the hell? I come from Venezuela, and I'm a frigging Vennie, do I get upset?

It shouldn't amaze me anymore, after all I know this world will go wrong, and this country is heading there faster than most.
First of all, British muslims are growing, and many are white. You can't say Jihad without getting ya head kicked in, the Crusades where over 800 years ago. The catholic church and protestant churches have a good time calling people infidels, blasphemers and everything under the sun, the media just doesn't make a fus about it.

Paki is used as a degratory term, Aussie isn't.

 Jihad was there 800 years ago matey, Jihad has always been there as a term to call upon when you want to turn something crude into something sacred as it's human nature.  The Turkish killed 1.8 million Armenians in 1915 under a Jihad, does that make it more holy or not?  At least the E.U has made it a pre requisition for Turkey to accept the Genocide stigma as part of pre entry talks. The refuse to and that just delays things, but I'm all for Turkey not joining the E.U.

 Churchill used Mustard gas on the Kurdish few years later and killed a third of their population, problem is he forgot to call it a crusade, although he did say they were an incivilized bunch of savages who need to be controlled by all means necessary. What they also forgot to add to that is that Churchill gave the Turkish the lands he had promised to the Kurdish just as they messed up with giving land to Palestina next to Israel. As a consequence any skirmish/battle/massacre is called by muslim leaders a Jihad, and as it's commented in more intimate circles what is the purpose of it? to add more lands and people for the glory of Allah (so yes you are in the plans of becoming the Islamic Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland providing that Jim and Phil agree)

 There are many issues you can easily overlook and it's all common place to most people who do not get properly informed, for example, many Muslim boast of how they refused to convert Spanish people to Islam when they ruled part of the Iberian peninsulae and how the Catholic king and queen (Ferdinand and Elizabeth) made them convert or go to Africa. However these are supposedly well informed people but they forget to mention that they forced Armenians to convert or else they would be sent to the desert to die or simply hung and quartered and put on display for all other people of different faiths to have an idea of what awaited them should they not want to embrace Allah.

 So calling it Holy war, does not make it more correct, the difference between them and Christians (of any sort) is that they haven't undergone the campaign of discredit and of years of documentation of the abuse of religion, so in a way back there it's still the dark ages in that respect. If they were slightly more liberal all this campaign would take place, and you would see women not wearing bin bags over themselves because their men are too scared to show off their property.

 As I said tho, by all means if you want to be slaves then be my guest, religions are the right choice for that, just don't try and put it across as correct or fair because I might not be able to do something about it right now, but at least I will turn a people a day from ignorance and then who knows.


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Exactly.  I totally agree.  I can't see how these people who live here, who are not from here originally, get to set our standards.  They seem to make the rules here 
The British had a good time setting standards across half the world with their British empire. These people for the most part pay their taxes to the British government, any that don't, well, is the same as a white briton not paying their taxes.

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totally agree with you Nil.

Our opinions are ours.  We listen to yours, so listen to ours.  You don't have to agree, but respect it.
the national front don't like jews or muslims, irish, blacks, and people from other countries in general, are their veiws respected? "well thats your opinion and your entitled to it" isn't a valid arguement.

 See the previous comment, after all nobody is saying go and fetch them torture them, and hang them, cut them into tiny pieces and display them so that all of them know what awaits them if they carry on being obnoxious. However if you happen to visit a muslim country you are at risk of being treated as an intruder and liable to be considered for abuse from all the community.

 The main difference between Muslims in the west and in muslim countries is that these migrant muslims are not considered wholesome muslims back there because they have embraced us  :8o
 
 However they still practice things like honour killings which tell me of considering themselves to be above the law, and these are non fundamentalist radicals.


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Being Wiccan, which is a Pagan-based Religion, I could get offened by how the Christian's celebrate Halloween and dress up as stereotyped witches.  I could get offended by how they claim Satan is an evil God, when they took the God from the Pagan religion, which is good.  I could get offended by the way you see crosses and such emlazoned (sp?) on buildings, and cars, etc, when if I wear my Pentagram, I somehow get funny looks and I'm considered 'scary' and I worship the 'devil'.

Do I want these things banned?  No.  I live with them, and I realise that this is how these people live.  They enjoy dressing up as witches at Halloween, which is not even a Christian holiday.  I accept that Satan has been morphed from a good God into the Lord of all Evil.  I live with the fact I have to be more cautious with the symbols of my religion when the Christians don't have to be.
right, and lets be honest here. Do you think the government will actually plan to ban christmas, get it through the commons, get it through the lords and impliment it, in a majorly christian white society?.

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How can anyone come here, and try and change our way of life?  Why should we bend to what they want?  They should abide by our rules, being guests in our country.

Did I miss something? Who's trying to change peoples way of life?

And they're not guests, shut up. They're tax-paying citizens, just like you and me. Wise up.

 one coming in the country is liable to pay tax Phil whether they be residents or not. Say you could come here as a visitor and the country will llow you to stay in that status so long as you have means to support yourself, if you have properties and get income from them you will pay tax and you will not be British, so read a bit and then re consider telling people to shut up.

 Let's put it simple folks.

 Try moving to say Syria. Try to do things you would do here without meaning to offend the locals or becoming a threat to them. Try to integrate.

 Yes some people migrate because there's no other choice but I will quote an Assyrian proverb which was then elaborated upon by a Muslim cab driver once.

 'When you go and try to take people's lands, they will come and try to take yours'

 He elaborated upon it and reached what to a lot of migrants not only muslim ones but people who have been colonies of any empire is a conviction.
 
 When these empires went and exploited these countries and left very little infrastructure or none, and only drained these countries from their riches a sentiment of wanting something back was and is fostered in these peoples.

 This particular man told me he saw it that way, that the British had gone and got all they wanted out of Pakistan, so why should he be kept from getting something back from what they took from them? Yes, he said, I want to live a decent quiet life without any of the bad things associated with us, but I do want some of what they took back.

 Spain has the same problem with Latin Americans, and guess what? unless you close your borders there's no way to stop it.

 I have no idea how it has to be dealt with, it just reminds me that it happened to every single great empire in the past and in the end they crumbled... Hopefully respectful and thorough integration can be possible, but double standards are not the way to reach it and that is how this is being dealt with.

 It would just be rather good of wishy washers could moderate themselves when they come with the 'facts' telling people to shut up because they aren't making sense. Not knowing how to put into words an opinion or a message is no excuse to be rude to anyone, even if you don't agree with them, after all in this society their votes count as much as yours do ;)

 Only in the Mad Max days we will see a return to the survival of the fittest and I will wait for that time instead and let the world carry on the way it wants to until it gets to that. :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Blaen on November 22, 2005, 10:04:04 PM
May I just say this topic was rather stupid in the first place but somehow has become something worth arguing about. Like Christmas is ever going to be band...Maybe if we lived in a communist police state but otherwise no. And whose offended by Christmas anyway? Muslims? Jews? I seriously doubt that anyone could be offended by a peaceful religious holiday unless they're some kind of religious zealot who thinks that theirs is the one true faith and everyone else should be purged from the face of the earth.

I myself am an Atheist but noones religion offends me. I respect the fact they chose to put their faith in something and if it helps them live better lives then good for them. I also believe that society should be made up of many different people from different faiths, backgrounds as diversity is not a bad thing, far from it.  If people like the BNP actually took the time to observe other cultures rather then brand them as evil they would realise that diversity is vital for Britain and infact any country. The people who come here are young and want to work, not mooche off the British government as some people would say. They come sometimes fleeing oppresion and what do they get but a bunch of facists like the BNP telling them they're not welcome and they should go back to their own country. Britains needs these immigrants! Come on we're an aging population ffs. We need more doctors and nurses, more hard workers, and less beaurocrats. If we closed our borders tomorrow than in no time at all we'd collapse as a society.

Personally as far as political correctness goes people should ignore it. People should think to themselves, "Will what I say offend people" and if they do this then the chances of them actually offending someone is slim to none, and even if they did I'm sure most people would simply say "I'm sorry I did not realise you found that offensive. I will not say it in future" and that'd be the end of it. But noone is going to stop celebrating a religious festival because someone disagrees with it. And noone can say they disagree with one religious festival without disagreeing with them all, or they're just hypocrites.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on November 22, 2005, 11:12:13 PM
 That would be in a perfect society Blaen, but alas this is no such perfect society.  :(
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Blaen on November 23, 2005, 02:43:49 AM
I'm aware of that. But a man can dream can't he?...a man can dream *sighs*
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Anne on November 24, 2005, 04:51:37 AM
The Christmas banned story arose after a junior official working for Lambeth Council renamed  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4398680.stm) the Christmas Lights "Winter Lights".  This is not council policy but it has been taken up by various pro and anti schools of thought and the resulting media circus led to headlines like "Christmas banned".

Of course, it's not the first time Christmas has been banned in this country.  Oliver Cromwell was firmly against it, so there is a precedent ....
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Anarya on December 08, 2005, 06:06:42 PM
*sigh* Obviously Christmas won't be banned but I think the main issue here is the want for equality. I have nothing against any religion, I'm friends with people from all sorts of faiths. The fundemental argument though is the fact that there is inbalance within Britain. A Black person can call a White person White/or some other term, a white person cannot however call a Black person black etc. Political correctness essentially is a contradiction and that is what people are getting at I believe. I do however think it is wrong for people to go and say 'Oh go back to your own country' etc etc....I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. As mentioned before, you merely have to look at the British Empire and how colonialisation affected citizens of that country. None the less it is the past and if people are going to move on, it is clear that people from a young age should be taught that individuality is something to be appreciated. Obviously it is easier said than done, but as the famous quote says: 'When in Rome, Do what the Romans do.'
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on December 08, 2005, 07:20:04 PM
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'When in Rome, Do what the Romans do.'

Exactly...and when in Britain, do as the British do, not as the Indian, or Middle Eastern, etc do. 

If I went to the Middle East I'd respect their culture and I would abide by their rules.  I expect the same from people visiting to my country.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on December 09, 2005, 05:00:11 AM
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I expect the same from people visiting to my country.

They're not visitors. They're British citizens, like you. They hold a British passport, just like you.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on December 09, 2005, 05:38:27 PM
If they speak English and abide by British rules, then fine  :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: leafi on December 09, 2005, 06:05:12 PM
i love christmas and im not religious at all i think its just a nice happy time of year when i spend time with my friends and family , i find it frustrating that just because other religions 'may' find it offensive the goverment are banning nativity plays in some schools and chrimbo decorations . there are alot of things i find offensive about other religions but it doesnt mean im going to go to there country and  stop there traditions. if you live in britain then follow british tradition!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on December 09, 2005, 06:42:34 PM
Agreed  :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: leafi on December 09, 2005, 07:26:27 PM
why thank you most kind, this is something i feel very passionately about i love christmas so much and it just spoils it so much when you have to worry about whether its lawfull to put a christmas tree up for public display its ridiculas!  :fr:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on December 09, 2005, 07:28:55 PM
i love christmas and im not religious at all i think its just a nice happy time of year when i spend time with my friends and family , i find it frustrating that just because other religions 'may' find it offensive the goverment are banning nativity plays in some schools and chrimbo decorations . there are alot of things i find offensive about other religions but it doesnt mean im going to go to there country and  stop there traditions. if you live in britain then follow british tradition!
No one needs to do anything to other ethnics and religions, white power fascists do that for ya  ::)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Phil on December 09, 2005, 10:01:14 PM
I got this from another forum....I thought it was kinda funny and it'll hopefully add a bit of comedy to the thread...




One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers "What it means to be British." Some of the emails are hilarious but this one is funny

Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for
A Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a
Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch
American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British thing of all?
Suspicion of anything foreign.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Blaen on December 10, 2005, 12:45:57 AM
That made me chuckle I must admit :P
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mojo Toner on December 10, 2005, 03:55:53 AM
One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers "What it means to be British." Some of the emails are hilarious but this one is funny

Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for
A Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a
Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch
American shows on a Japanese TV. And the most British thing of all?
Suspicion of anything foreign.


lol, thts pretty funny. Can't remember where i've heard it b4 thou
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Anarya on December 10, 2005, 05:34:34 AM
But yet it is so true....British people are possibly the most mixed bag there is and it has been happening for centuries...(I should know I'm a historian!)

Romans
Anglo-Saxons
French etc etc etc

Our royal family for crying out loud is mostly German! English the language is 40% derived from German, 40% derived from French and 20% derived from Latin and other sources...
I think it has to be considered what indeed 'our heritage' actually is :S
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Elfy on December 10, 2005, 06:29:06 PM
Whatever our heritage is does not really come into this. Yes our language is derived from others, as are our genes and our customs. A lot of people here have said things that I completely agree with, specially Hyllyn, and there is not much that ENRAGES me more than political correctness gone mad.
I have no problem whatsoever with foreign people living in this country, as long as they realise that they are in Britain now, not their country. We have different traditions and customs which should be respected. The way it seems to me is that we can't even live our way of life any more, we have to go along with other cultures rather than them living in ours. We have to live in theirs, or that's how it feels.
Nobody would ever dream of stopping say Muslims celebrating one of their festivals. So why should we be expected to let people change our country into a place where we get treated like second rate citizens?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Taurendil on December 13, 2005, 08:59:07 PM
Not directly connected with Political Correctness.
Did you hear of the events in Australia? They are similar to those in France, I think. Do you think it is a common tendency?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on January 31, 2006, 11:27:08 PM
I think politicall correctness has gone overboard simply because.

And all those Thomas the Tank Engine fans from kids brace yourself.
The Fat Controller has been stopped from being called The Fat Controller because it is politically incorrect.
He is now, Sir Topham Hat... ::) :8o

It's a kids program for heavens sake!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 01, 2006, 12:17:48 AM
 This is why if I did politics I would vote for the Raving Monster Looney party  :bd: I mean you only have to look at their 2525 Manicfesto the bit regarding home affairs.

 I will quote it here.

"...Political Correctness is so pervasive in 2525 that it will be illegal to say anything at all in case you offend someone. Sign language will be illegal as well, as will moving, because any movement might be interpreted as a gesture that could cause offence. Therefore we promise to let people speak to each other again. We may even reintroduce the rather scary notion of "free speech", which the New New New Really New Labour party abolished sometime back in 2190.

In addition, anyone found causing offence will be made to paint it with a nice protective coat of Ronseal.
..."


The way we are going it might well get to that in this country.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Waelith on February 01, 2006, 12:26:14 AM
...And if it does I will be the first to get done for free speech. lol. This country makes me sick, already. the whole thing is just pants.

Politically incorrect to call the fat controller the fat controller. WTF? Oh pleeeease!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 01, 2006, 12:31:21 AM
Exactly! I only heard when a friend of my mums child started calling him Topham Hat and I din't have a clue what the child was on about!!!

My brother (a stand up comedian) has taken it as his personal mission to insult the government every gig he does. I won't bother explaining why as he is a seriously sarcastic person.... like me LOL.

and hey! get in line :P I'll be the first to be done for speech  :D ::) AND PROUD!! :P
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 01, 2006, 12:36:40 AM
*feels the urge to say it out loud!

 THE FAT CONTROLLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :ph34r: :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 01, 2006, 12:43:13 AM
Thats what my brother did, he walked on stage and screamed 'HE'S THE EFFIN FAT CONTROLLER' .... he doesn'ty beat around the bush!!!

Start a protest everyone gets outside the Prime Ministers house with banners ...

hehe look at my siggy...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 01, 2006, 12:45:39 AM
 Well I wouldn't be against protesting, if there's something I like that is protesting lol  ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 01, 2006, 12:48:15 AM
Nor would I, just gimme a call with a date and time and I'm there :P :laugh: ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 01, 2006, 07:52:04 PM
Who, over the age of 5 is honestly worried what the character is called?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 02, 2006, 01:13:38 AM
We know that, and accept that the child will not care. It is the fact that the people who had it changed thought the need urgent enough to have it done!

As you say, the child doesn't care what the character is called, so what was the point of changing it?

Political Correctness my eye.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: The Flying Monkey on February 02, 2006, 04:51:09 AM
The Christmas banned story arose after a junior official working for Lambeth Council renamed the Christmas Lights "Winter Lights".  This is not council policy but it has been taken up by various pro and anti schools of thought and the resulting media circus led to headlines like "Christmas banned".

Wasn't it Lambeth Council, also, who some years ago sent a memo to all schools and pre-school groups in their area informing teachers that in future children should be taught to sing Baa Baa Green Sheep as the term Baa Baa Black Sheep was racist?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2006, 06:07:31 AM
We know that, and accept that the child will not care. It is the fact that the people who had it changed thought the need urgent enough to have it done!

As you say, the child doesn't care what the character is called, so what was the point of changing it?

Political Correctness my eye.
No, as in it's something so useless that why are you worried that someone felt the need to change it?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 02, 2006, 03:49:10 PM
 It's to do with standing for what you believe in, no mater how trivial it might be, obviously people in the government and wishy washers like some here are making a meal out of it. So what is it to you if some people care?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2006, 04:38:32 PM
That it's tedious and a waste of time, instead of complaining about the fat controller being renamed, complain about something useful perhaps?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Icy on February 02, 2006, 05:33:23 PM
You can't say the Fat Controller?  Who's going to stop us?  I can just see us in jail now...

"What you in for?"
"I stole loads of stuff from a shop.  You?"
"Oh, I said 'Fat Controller' out loud"

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The UK is officially the crappest country in the world now haha!

And Jim, just shut up.  You always have to disagree with everyone.  Its the fat its so stupid.  Why can't I say the Fat bloody Controller? Who the frig is it offending?

Gah, I hate all this PC nonsense...I'll say what I like, when I like.  If Baa Baa is a black sheep, he WILL be called a black sheep!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mojo Toner on February 02, 2006, 05:55:33 PM
The onli way out is a whole new government, lol. Political Correctness sux. Lets get the word political and all likewise words banned as well, I find them words offensive to Ordinary people, and Doctor, and Train Drive..  ::) Damn Government. ooooh lets ban tht word 2.....
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 03, 2006, 01:44:46 AM
That it's tedious and a waste of time, instead of complaining about the fat controller being renamed, complain about something useful perhaps?

 Like doing proselitism over Northern Ireland perhaps or whatever suits you?

 Give me and us an effing break man. No one is forcing you to come in this topic and read it if you don't like it and no one wants you to turn it into a subject of your own interest, that is what the 'start new topic' button is for.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Eįmainė Meneldur on February 03, 2006, 02:40:41 AM
PC has definately gone stark raving BONKERS let alone mad!
at work we shouldn't sing, baa baa black sheep, goosey goosey gander (getting the old man by the leg and throwin him down the stairs bit) or anything else that is (apparently) even vaguely sexist, racist or violent. 
The kids cant watch tom and jerry or roadrunner cos they drop pianos and the like on each others heads! its stupidity.... Theyre making it more of an issue to young'uns by making everything taboo. u tell a 3-5 year old not to say or do something and they turn round and do the exact opposite.
And another thing about the political correctness is that its a double standard. went shopping with my sis last week and both got called white b*****s because we wouldn't talk to the gang of ethnic lads following us. why didnt they get a police warning for being racist??? (coronation street anyone???)

there ive had my fivers worth now  :D  please dont hate me  XD 

whats the point of free speech when ya cant speak freely?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Taurendil on February 03, 2006, 03:11:29 AM
There should be the golden middle. Indeed there must not be any descrimination of people but after all measure should be observed. Anything can be called offensive, but not all is meant to be offensive, people should understand it.

Why do the new citizens, who arrive in the country, protest against something, no one made them to go there, meanwhile this 'something' could be a tradition for a hundreds of years and banning it  WILL be an outrage for those who already live in this country.

IMO this tendency leads to nothing but madness.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 03, 2006, 04:02:23 AM
That it's tedious and a waste of time, instead of complaining about the fat controller being renamed, complain about something useful perhaps?

 Like doing proselitism over Northern Ireland perhaps or whatever suits you?

 Give me and us an effing break man. No one is forcing you to come in this topic and read it if you don't like it and no one wants you to turn it into a subject of your own interest, that is what the 'start new topic' button is for.
Well son, if you want I can discuss political correctness in Northern Ireland, afterall it is a member of the UK, eh? If you want, I can talk about the political correctness and "positive" discrimination in the police force, and the political correctness being enforced on national marches, but we won't get into that, I don't want people to think I'm changing the subject, eh?

Unlike you, I'm going to stick to the topic.

PC hasn't gone stark raving boners in my own opinion, it's down to how it's practised. It's easy to force people to call a character something other than the fat controller, or to have a rainbow shamrock at a st patricks day parade (oh oh we're touching on NI there), or calling christmas lights winter lights, but do people honestly practise these things? Christmas is derived from a winter holiday anyway, the fat controller has been the brunt end of every fat kid in school for the past 10 years and i could personally care less about wanting to make st patricks day a holiday for everyone in this wee corner of the UK that I won't mention, incase Hyllyn wants to throw more petty arguements against me (and go off topic ;))

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And Jim, just shut up.  You always have to disagree with everyone.  Its the fat its so stupid.  Why can't I say the Fat bloody Controller? Who the frig is it offending?
I won't shut up, love. Me disagreeing makes people think about their posts a bit more before they press that reply button. Whats a "debate" without an opposition? And come to think of it, I don't remember anyone saying you can't call him the fat controller, call him Jesus for all it matters.

What people don't fail to realise (even though it's pretty obvious) is that I disagree with people purposely to show both sides of the story, and people obviously don't like that because it challenges em, dry your eyes.

A man with one opinion is a man with one eye.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: The Flying Monkey on February 03, 2006, 04:33:09 AM
Nope, you just enjoy being incredibly pretentious and patronizing.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 03, 2006, 04:53:12 AM
I fail to see how I am being pretentious. Please explain.

Patronising? Perhaps, as if I'm the only one.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on February 03, 2006, 05:52:29 AM
Political correctness... where to start?

Firstly, I would like to say that I gre up with Thomas the Tank Engine, and I will never forget that he was called The Fat Controller. It may be a trivial issue but it's still part of the same problem, even if it is the very tiniest tip of the iceberg. It may be trivial in your opinion but it doesn't mean it's neither relevant nor important - people stand up for what they believe in. And as I grew up with Thomas the Tank Engine from the Island of Sodor I personally think it is utterly disgraceful that a children's programme has been brought down to the lever of political correctness like this (although I believe the first such case was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who were called the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles in the UK).

Secondly, I do not feel that political correctness is just a social effect - I feel that it is important negative effect on language, whereby we get some ridiculous phrases so as no to offend e.g. "horizontally impaired" (why not The Horizontally-Impaired Controller?). We're so hung up about not offended "minorities" in some way we are missing out on important issues. This doesn't just extent to silly things wods entering the dictionary such as "Winterval", but also (although some people see this as a separate issue, but I think it is related) extends to the government bringing in this Incitement to Racial and Religious Hatred Bill which is merely a press release to show the government is doing something (a useless bill which discriminates against us atheists).

Thirdly, as much as you may think a change of government will change this, it won't. It was started under the Tories, has been enriched under Labour. No government is going to clamp down on political correctness for fear of offending someone and alienating "minorities".

Finally, I agree with the Monster Raving Loony Party. They are often taken for a joke, but, in fact, if you ever read their manifesto, they have serious and genuine policies. All that is happening is free speech is being curbed and it isn't enriching our society at all - we are proud to be multi-cultural, but many people are starting to wonder "What's happened to British culture and tradition? Should we be more like the French?" (French insofar as they don't embrace other cultures at all). Political correctness is just stranging society, the government, and people's free speech.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 03, 2006, 06:19:47 AM
Nope, you just enjoy being incredibly pretentious and patronizing.

 May I add deluded and megalomaniatic and yet soporific in his discourse?

 If this calls for a lock then fine I think it is plain and clear for all to see that you cannot have a discussion without Phil and Jim's approval and consent.

 It must come with the birth right I suppose unless all of them are natural born exegetes ::)

 Mith read the part of the site of the Monster raving looney party where it lists the policies that they came up with and that were later implemented by the government of turn.

 Ah and according to medical terms you would have to call him the methabolically challenged controller or along those lines, of course it could become politically incorrect to use technical jargon soon enough or any words with more than 2 syllabes in them.  :ph34r:
 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on February 03, 2006, 06:25:12 AM
Mith read the part of the site of the Monster raving looney party where it lists the policies that they came up with and that were later implemented by the government of turn.

 Ah and according to medical terms you would have to call him the methabolically challenged controller or along those lines, of course it could become politically incorrect to use technical jargon soon enough or any words with more than 2 syllabes in them.  :ph34r:

That was actually what I was referring to. It often surprised people that the MRLP came up with decent ideas before real governments did.

Indeed, jargon is also politically incorrect, so eventually it will hopefully go in a big circle and return to "fat".
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 03, 2006, 06:29:19 AM
 A big fat circle perhaps? :D

 Maybe if used as an abbreviation it could be passed as acceptable?  ??? :P
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on February 03, 2006, 05:47:53 PM
metabollically challenged controller....   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You know, I remember when there was actually a storyline one week when the Fat Controller went on a diet to try to lose some weight.  All the trains got very upset because they said if he lost weight he wouldnt be the Fat Controller any more.   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  So he stopped trying to lose weight and had some cake instead.   :laugh: :laugh:

Now really, I would have thought the the creator (who WAS that anyway... was it Reverend someone?   I know it wasn't Ringo Starr   ::) :P ) was more making the point that the people in Control (as in the Controller) often have the tendency to be fat.  And to be honest who can argue with that?  It is often the case that the people in the FAT cat jobs with the FAT cat earnings who can afford to eat and drink so much that they put on weight!   

As a fat person myself I can honestly say that The Fat Controller is non offensive to me and I would be interested to hear from anyone who was offended by him to be honest.   

All this aside... I will say this however..... fatism is just about the only 'ism'  you can get away with in this country these days.  I was turned down for a job a few months ago and told that they didnt think I could physically cope with it.   ::)  Hmmmm... how wrong is that?  If I thought I could cope (being an adult I can make these decisions for myself you know!)  then they should have trusted me in that.  But their assumption was, that because I was a big person I would not be able to walk a lot!  The fact that I wanted the job so that I WOULD walk a lot seemed to be beyond their comprehension!   ::)

You see, there are assumptions made about big people which can often be wrong because they are based on stereotypical ideas.  However, I will resist the temptation to go on about this... as I suspect it could be the subject of another interesting topic. 

I like the FAT CONTROLLER!  I think he is cuuute!   :wub: :laugh:
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on February 03, 2006, 06:16:14 PM
Reverend W. V. Awdry.

Indeed, I don't think anyone would be actually offended by it. However, you talk about stereotypes, but you just stereotyped about fat cat jobs and fat cat earnings.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on February 03, 2006, 08:50:54 PM
Reverend W. V. Awdry.

Indeed, I don't think anyone would be actually offended by it. However, you talk about stereotypes, but you just stereotyped about fat cat jobs and fat cat earnings.

Thank you.   :)

No I didnt.... I said MOST not ALL.... therefore not stereotyping. 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Mithrandir on February 03, 2006, 11:07:12 PM
That's still a sweeping stereotype of most "fat cats", is it not?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: leafi on February 04, 2006, 12:10:49 AM
well not meaning to rain on anyones parade but isnt it people obsessing over PC that is making it worse the more peolple argue about what is and isnt the right the more the people are going to restrict what is and isnt acceptable. i say phrase how you like as long as those it is directed at know its meant in good jest and not as an offense. and just keep on partying
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 04, 2006, 09:58:09 PM
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And Jim, just shut up.  You always have to disagree with everyone.  Its the fat its so stupid.  Why can't I say the Fat bloody Controller? Who the frig is it offending?
I won't shut up, love. Me disagreeing makes people think about their posts a bit more before they press that reply button. Whats a "debate" without an opposition? And come to think of it, I don't remember anyone saying you can't call him the fat controller, call him Jesus for all it matters.

What people don't fail to realise (even though it's pretty obvious) is that I disagree with people purposely to show both sides of the story, and people obviously don't like that because it challenges em, dry your eyes.

A man with one opinion is a man with one eye.

I'm going to take this opportunity to tell every one that I am a seriously stubborn person and I am getting the impression you are to Jim, but the way you are going about it is all wrong, I can tell you when I press the reply button I'm not thinking twice about what I have written because of your influence. I do not understand why you said that we all were, because frankly you don't know that. Please can you not do that again.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 04, 2006, 11:58:08 PM
I didn't point out individuals. But it's pretty obvious people, instead of just agreeing with each other, have had to rethink their replies when I (like anyone) have disagreed and challenged them on their views.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 06, 2006, 09:16:43 PM
Dude, I am not afraid to challenge peoples views and I doubt anyone who replies to this topic is either! It just so happens that we agree on this topic. I am beginning to get the feeling you think because we all agree you should disagree... :8o Challenge our views all you want but I will (And I am not trying to speak for everyone) not take you seriously if you only challenge us because nobody else is. Only challenge us if what you're saying makes sense and you believe in what you are saying. Don't do it for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 06, 2006, 11:27:18 PM
If everyone agrees, it's not a debate. Telling people to shut up because they "disagree on everything" is not a debate either, like.

As far as this forum goes, all of my arguements have been what I personally believe in, on other forums it may be different, instead of posting in a debating forum and going "oh yeah i agree with you, they shouldn't do that", I give people a reason to back up what they say other than personal opinion. Weither anyone takes that seriously or not is up to the individual, I won't lose sleep  :)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 07, 2006, 08:06:45 PM
So why have you in other topics told people that you do not take them seriously expecting them to react to it?

And debating topic or not there are millions of people out there who dissagree with things that have been said on this topic. Many on this forum that just haven't posted. A debating topic is not code for 'Oh, well everyones agreeing on here lets just argue there point because no-one else is!'. That defeats the whole point, we want other peoples views, not just one pulled out of the hat because no-one else disagrees!!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 07, 2006, 09:50:23 PM
So why have you in other topics told people that you do not take them seriously expecting them to react to it?

And debating topic or not there are millions of people out there who dissagree with things that have been said on this topic. Many on this forum that just haven't posted. A debating topic is not code for 'Oh, well everyones agreeing on here lets just argue there point because no-one else is!'. That defeats the whole point, we want other peoples views, not just one pulled out of the hat because no-one else disagrees!!
Because in other topics there are posts that are just illogical or an attempt to justify a view that otherwise people wouldn't agree with, whereas I can backup what I say and do if asked to.

Whats your point about people not may disagree but not post? There aren't millions of people on this forum, there's me, you, and a handful of others that post on this part of the forum. A debating topic is not code for "Shut up, why do you have to disagree with everyone". That's not a debate, it's not even a discussion.

And to keep it on topic.

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All that is happening is free speech is being curbed and it isn't enriching our society at all - we are proud to be multi-cultural, but many people are starting to wonder "What's happened to British culture and tradition? Should we be more like the French?" (French insofar as they don't embrace other cultures at all). Political correctness is just stranging society, the government, and people's free speech.
There never has been true free-speech to be honest. It's perfectly fine to complain about immigration, yet no one dare mention anything about blacks, nazis, jews etc or they're considered racist or a fascist. Remember that Britain had an empire. Trading (or stealing, whichever you prefere) is part of that, and it ultimately opens other cultures to the mainland. Modern day British culture is based on other cultures (infact, almost all cultures are), I don't see that as a problem, ultimately all cultures are derived from one and another. I'd be lying if I said the Scottish, Irish or Polish (or any country) culture was based on no outside interference.

Political correctness can go as far as it wants in it's views (since we apparently have the farse called free speech), not practise, because people just won't impliment it, there's a big difference in discrimination of religion and race, and renaming a thomas the tank engine character. I'm glad Britain has some sort of Political correctness going on. In countries like Japan outsiders are excluded and called Gaijins (foreigners). They can't shop in the same places, use the same baths (swimmers like), or drink in the same bars or sleep in the same hotels, and while the Japanese constitution (written by America) says discrimination shouldn't happen, there's no laws to stop it.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 08, 2006, 06:58:45 PM
No, I meant that there are millions of people in this world that dissagree with me and you. There are hundreds on This Forum that dissagree with you and me, just because few of those post on here you shouldn't take it up as your mission to dissagree 'cos no-one else is!!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 09, 2006, 03:32:40 AM
I get what your saying, but if thats the case then why bother having a debating/world events forum.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 10, 2006, 01:25:18 AM
Same could be said about every board 'If everybody on this forum doesn't reply to it in whatever way refers to that subject why bother having it?' If ya get what I mean. ;)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 10, 2006, 05:40:59 AM
Aye, but this is suppose to be the strict part of the forum ;)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 10, 2006, 10:42:32 PM
Yeah but they can hardly institute a rule saying 'Every Single Member Must Post In This Topic' can they? ;)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 11, 2006, 07:07:51 PM
Thats not what I said though. Anyone who posts in this part of the forum should at least put some thoughts into their post, many do and some don't, and when someone disagrees, they gang up.

Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 11, 2006, 08:22:22 PM
Those that agree in what they're talking about gang up because they're standing up for what they believe in.

And actually I believe these people are thinking about what they're putting into their posts, and its you don't agree with what they put so it automatically has to be wrong...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 11, 2006, 10:10:38 PM
Telling people to shut up is not standing up for what you believe in, it's being a bellend  :)

I don't go by the mentality of "if they disagree with me the are wrong", thats cac, but I do argue back and it's something they don't seem to like. Honestly like, if it was as simple as me thinking they are wrong, I'd be posting one liners in reply to arguements about the actual topic, for example "you think political correctness is going overboard and you are just wrong", then leaving.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on February 12, 2006, 03:55:22 PM
The true meaning of a debate is to discuss your opinions with an open mind.  The problem is when people dont have an open mind and only want to try to convince others that they are right no matter what. 

I always think the best debate is the one that does get me thinking and does make me change my opinion through logical and valid points. 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 12, 2006, 04:19:46 PM
Telling people to shut up is not standing up for what you believe in, it's being a bellend  :)

I don't go by the mentality of "if they disagree with me the are wrong", thats cac, but I do argue back and it's something they don't seem to like. Honestly like, if it was as simple as me thinking they are wrong, I'd be posting one liners in reply to arguements about the actual topic, for example "you think political correctness is going overboard and you are just wrong", then leaving.

Maybe but you don't listen to anyone else, you've posted you're view, they don't agree, well it can't be anything I've said lets just stick to that. If you hadn't done the same thing in a million of other topics we would have listened but...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Beleriel on February 12, 2006, 04:59:07 PM
Hold on a bit.... whats that about please?  What are you telling me I have done?  I always listen to what others have to say and take anything said with an open mind.  I might not agree sometimes so then I just back off and agree to disagree so to speak. 

So, what are you saying?  Can you clarify it for me? 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 12, 2006, 05:34:39 PM
 :o :o :o :o ... huh? .... ooh right, no not you Beleriel I mean Jim, not criticizing you in anyway!! Sorry :[ I meant to have a quote of Jim there sorry :[ :[
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 12, 2006, 07:49:42 PM
Telling people to shut up is not standing up for what you believe in, it's being a bellend  :)

I don't go by the mentality of "if they disagree with me the are wrong", thats cac, but I do argue back and it's something they don't seem to like. Honestly like, if it was as simple as me thinking they are wrong, I'd be posting one liners in reply to arguements about the actual topic, for example "you think political correctness is going overboard and you are just wrong", then leaving.

Maybe but you don't listen to anyone else, you've posted you're view, they don't agree, well it can't be anything I've said lets just stick to that. If you hadn't done the same thing in a million of other topics we would have listened but...
How don't I listen to anyone else?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 12, 2006, 08:49:13 PM
(one liner ::))

Listen as in pay attention to what arguement they are trying to put across.... which is sounding more and more familiar ::)
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 12, 2006, 09:07:29 PM
(A one liner for an arguement that isn't exactly on topic ::))

Obviously I pay attention to the arguement they are putting across, weither or not they pay attention to my arguement is another story all toghether, they'd rather tell me to shut up. But yeh, if you say so. But right, aren't we both going a bit far with this in this topic? Kind of defeats the purpose in posting here to have a pissing match.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 12, 2006, 10:54:22 PM
 :o oh my god! I give up, you are impossible to get through

And Political Correctness has gone overboard in my opinion. I think alot of actors and actresses and people have become to politically correct aswell saying things like 'Oh she's brill' 'He's great!' 'She's so fun!' Not everybody likes everybody, there has to be someone they hate!!
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Taurendil on February 12, 2006, 11:02:22 PM
Sometimes its difficult to have freedom of speech and be politically corect at the same time though.

What do you think about that newspaper scandal? Had the author right to publish an image of the muslim's God?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 12, 2006, 11:13:50 PM
Yeah, I see what you mean with all the pressure they have.... but I mean its so fake!!!


And, I think the author was kinda stupid and he didn't have the right to publish that cartoon, but I also think some (not all) of teh muslims are over reacting because cartoons insult every single god every single day... but the rest of us don't burn down some buildings, I do though respect some of the protesters who just organised a walk through the streets with banners not threatening deaths. I think that was a better way to go about it.

but thats only my opinion

And what do I know? I'm only 13...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Taurendil on February 13, 2006, 01:21:55 AM
I thought you were older!

I agree with you about the cartoon. The muslims seem just not to understand and esteem the freedom of speech though.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 13, 2006, 04:45:30 AM
:o oh my god! I give up, you are impossible to get through

And Political Correctness has gone overboard in my opinion. I think alot of actors and actresses and people have become to politically correct aswell saying things like 'Oh she's brill' 'He's great!' 'She's so fun!' Not everybody likes everybody, there has to be someone they hate!!
Lmao, right, both of us are stubborn as flibble, end of it aye?

It's not so much pressure that actors and actresses have to be politically correct to please people, most would rather not have the piss taken out of them completely by magazines, tv shows and etc, but it does play a part.

As for the muslim caricatures, they have a right to be annoyed, but the extent they are taking it too is too far, even for muslims. My own ma's a muslim and she doesn't take it as serious as most muslims are (infact she doesn't care). But in the middle east, there isn't a "freedom of speech" (it's also debatable if we truely have it in the west), and it's a black and white picture. Middle eastern countries are not culturally mixed, infact most asian countries aren't. Britain (and other european countries) has a huge cultural mixture because of it's previous empire, and for that reason it's going to be far easier to offend people.

Understand that Muslims are very protective of their culture and religion, people in the west for the most part aren't, and most Christians prefere to pray to god when they want something. It's sad but mostly true.

There have been some absolute lady bits protestors (for example the fella who dressed as a suicide bomber) who generally need a slap in the head, but they are very genuine about this. The Danish newspaper claimed to be testing free press - thats a farse, they wanted to see how far they could go in offending people.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on February 13, 2006, 05:00:09 AM
 Correct this then  ::)

CALVIN AND HOBBES — AND MUHAMMAD


As my regular readers know, I've long been skeptical of the "Religion of Peace" moniker for Muslims — for at least 3,000 reasons right off the top of my head. I think the evidence is going my way this week.

The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by The New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."

So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.

But three cartoons made political points.

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop — we ran out of virgins!" — which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular — oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.

Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" — which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad — though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.

The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.

But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it.

Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.

Largely unnoticed in this spectacle is the blinding fact that one nation is missing from the long list of Muslim countries (by which I mean France and England) with hundreds of crazy Muslims experiencing bipolar rage over some cartoons: Iraq. Hey — maybe this democracy thing does work! The barbaric behavior of Europe's Muslims suggests that the European welfare state may not be attracting your top-notch Muslims.

Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.

Catholics aren't short on rules, but they couldn't care less if non-Catholics use birth control. Conservative Jews have no interest in forbidding other people from mixing meat and dairy. Protestants don't make a peep about other people eating food off one another's plates. (Just stay away from our plates — that's disgusting.)

But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?

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 Ahh I found another one liner.
 
We know that, and accept that the child will not care. It is the fact that the people who had it changed thought the need urgent enough to have it done!

As you say, the child doesn't care what the character is called, so what was the point of changing it?

Political Correctness my eye.
No, as in it's something so useless that why are you worried that someone felt the need to change it?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 13, 2006, 05:39:27 AM
Well, if you want, here it goes.

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But three cartoons made political points.

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop — we ran out of virgins!" — which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular — oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.
And why not? When you have cartoons calling your prophet the devil (something that would even anger christians if it where Jesus) and considering Muslims are very defensive over their religion, I can understand why they got on the way they did. But also the writer of that article should understand that not all muslims are like that, and I know that myself from first hand experience. Unlike his one sided view (obvious by his writing), I've seen both sides of it and taken it into account.

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Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.
No, middle easterns are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back. It's obvious again that this writer isn't fond of muslims, but feminists too, yer he wants to compare them to make one look darker than the other - where did he learn to write?

Muslims treat women well enough that the women feel content with their lives, y'know, as if there is no domestic violence/under representation of women in politics in the west.

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The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" — which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.
My last reply dealt with this part of the issue. The people that DID hold up these signs are no better than the cartoonists and two wrongs dont make a right.

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The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad — though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.
No it's not. Suicide bombers are despised by most (if not all) Muslims I know, and the Quran says that a muslim has the right to fight back to an aggressor, nothing to do with beheadings, as far as most muslims I know are concerned, these people are going to hell for taking action wrongly.


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Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.
Again taking things too literally, this writer is brilliant, not only is he in a one track mind - he doesn't even fully understand what he is suppose to be writing about.

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Largely unnoticed in this spectacle is the blinding fact that one nation is missing from the long list of Muslim countries (by which I mean France and England) with hundreds of crazy Muslims experiencing bipolar rage over some cartoons: Iraq. Hey — maybe this democracy thing does work! The barbaric behavior of Europe's Muslims suggests that the European welfare state may not be attracting your top-notch Muslims.
Now, as far as I knew, Muslims spawn all over the world, not only in the middle east, but in europe (as in born and bred white europeans), asia, and america. But ofcourse, this writer only believes what he wants regardless of fact.

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Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.
Even a real religion? This writer gets worse. The worlds second largest religion isn't real apparently. It's as real as any religion and while I done agree with what they say in the end, it's still there,regardless of what some ponce writer believes.

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Catholics aren't short on rules, but they couldn't care less if non-Catholics use birth control. Conservative Jews have no interest in forbidding other people from mixing meat and dairy. Protestants don't make a peep about other people eating food off one another's plates. (Just stay away from our plates — that's disgusting.)
Are ya joking me?!?!?! Catholics have blown up abortion clinics and go through pressure groups to political parties to controlling education to keep their religious values in with the people.

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But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?
No, people.

Not to mention that military personnel in Iraq abusing 12 year old kids (and a lot of other stories) makes muslims very angry over the iraq war farse. But ofcourse this writer wouldn't know any of that, he's only writing for one side.

And to one liners? Not everything needs to be written out in paragraphs when it can be done in a sentence, I just don't go overboard with it, but you won't care, will you?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 14, 2006, 12:10:51 AM
I thought you were older!

Lol! :laugh: ... see thats what I meant, I'm... 20... yeah ::) :P

And H˙llyn, you didn't go and read all that arguement to find a one liner did you? ;D

I recently saw though in the paper that there is another cartoonist who has done a cartoon of the cartoonist who released the one about Muhammad (sp?), its just how they oparate...
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Jim on February 14, 2006, 01:22:45 AM
There's not a chance your 13  :P
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: In AmericEar on February 14, 2006, 10:54:37 PM
14 in October!!! :D
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: smeagol1982 on June 14, 2006, 05:32:19 AM
I think that political correctness has gone too far this year!!

I mean bannin christmas, whats that all about??? they sed it were because it may offend other faiths, but when dey took a survey, no other faiths in this country were offended by it as it is a british institution and as were in britain, how can it be changed.

DOWN WITH THE PC BRIGADE!!!!!
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We have very similar issues here in OZ, theres also criticism over comments about Australia being invaded, rather then settled.  When will it all end?
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Vårn on June 14, 2006, 04:29:44 PM
Correct this then  ::)

CALVIN AND HOBBES — AND MUHAMMAD


As my regular readers know, I've long been skeptical of the "Religion of Peace" moniker for Muslims — for at least 3,000 reasons right off the top of my head. I think the evidence is going my way this week.

The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by The New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."

So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.

But three cartoons made political points.

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop — we ran out of virgins!" — which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular — oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.

Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" — which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad — though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.

The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.

But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it.

Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.

Largely unnoticed in this spectacle is the blinding fact that one nation is missing from the long list of Muslim countries (by which I mean France and England) with hundreds of crazy Muslims experiencing bipolar rage over some cartoons: Iraq. Hey — maybe this democracy thing does work! The barbaric behavior of Europe's Muslims suggests that the European welfare state may not be attracting your top-notch Muslims.

Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.

Catholics aren't short on rules, but they couldn't care less if non-Catholics use birth control. Conservative Jews have no interest in forbidding other people from mixing meat and dairy. Protestants don't make a peep about other people eating food off one another's plates. (Just stay away from our plates — that's disgusting.)

But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?

COPYRIGHT 2006 ANN COULTER


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 Ahh I found another one liner.
 
We know that, and accept that the child will not care. It is the fact that the people who had it changed thought the need urgent enough to have it done!

As you say, the child doesn't care what the character is called, so what was the point of changing it?

Political Correctness my eye.
No, as in it's something so useless that why are you worried that someone felt the need to change it?



h'mm, short reply, my opinion's aren't hugely complicated. Did the magazine in question have every right to publish those cartoon's? yes it did. do i, personally, think they were insensitive and heavy-handed in doing so? yes i do. Did those thousands of muslims have every right to protest (peacefully) yes they did. (although i'd be inclined to think they were grossly overreacting, but then i'm not the most sensitive) did they have a right to engage in acts of violence? nope.

free speech has to be absolute, or it isn't free. the minute you curtail it in any way, shape or form, it's lost. how's the quote go? can't even remember where it's from...

'i don't like what you have to say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it'
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Shadowfax on June 15, 2006, 12:02:00 AM
 I realise that its unfair to persecute a whole religion because of a limited number of extremists.  I have to admit, a year ago, i'd had little to no contact with anyone muslim and i thought they were all just edgy extremists who'd refuse to talk to you because you werent of the same religion as them.  Thats before i started my new college whos main percentage of students are - you got it - muslim, and they're all lovely, completely normal people who dont really involve religious views into anything.  Id like to highlight what one of my friends wrote in a speech for english though, which pretty much describes how unfair religion can be. 

  She started off by saying - I have a box.  The box is a family heirloom, passed on to me by my mother, and from her mother to her, and so on.  I must look after the box, and clean it many times a day, and spend a lot of time paying attention to my box.  I must look after my box because it is a family heirloom, but i dont really see the point in spending all the time on it - after all, its just a box.  Now, say this isnt a box, but religion......you see where shes going with this.  I just thought it was a good analogy, and it was acutally how she felt about the whole issue.  No one should be pressured into taking a religion on, and yet all these kids are ostricised by their families if they dont, and thats not fair.

 I think Muslims disregard for freedom of speech is stupid, (not picking on muslims here actually, im yet to find a religion that isnt heavily flawed), and obviously terrorism and the behaviour of some middle eastern muslims is inexcusable.  Im not justifying anything Americans and British may or may not have done here, its just that were talking about muslims and freedom of speech so i wont mention them.  The cartoon issue can be greatly highlighted by a hilarious south park two parter, which i'm going to outline for you, so if you havent seen season 10 yet, dont read.

Bascially - Family Guy are going to show an episode featuring the prophet muhammed.  America is so scared of being bombed in retaliation they get loads of sand and bury their heads in it, to show they didnt have anything to do with it.  Nothing can convince them *not* to show the epsiode because the writers of Family Guy will stop working if they dont show it (for hilarious reasons Cartman discovers).  So the episode goes ahead fully (but with a censor over muhammed - comedy central).  In retaliation, Al Quadea produce a film to be shown afterwards showing Americans, Bush, and then Jesus crapping all over each other. 
The censor over muhammed was put in place by comedy central (the people who run south park), not as intended by the episode.  Straight after they show Jesus being crapped on.  How is it fair that one religious figure cannot even be shown but its okay to show one being deficated on straight after.  The irony of comedy central (the tool of fox, obviously) not showing it at all......ahh it just pissed me off.  I dont think its right for it to be okay to mock one religious but not another because people are afraid of one person, thats just the same as bullies in a  playground, islam is the big kid no one makes any jokes about because they'll get kicked the crap outa.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on June 15, 2006, 01:39:07 AM
 Christianity was just the same at the time of the Inquisition Shadowfax. Thing is we as people got fed up of it, muslims on the other hand haven't.

 If you wanted the analogy in politics you could talk of say... Cuba. Communism everyone knows has some excellent ideals, but in practice it doesn't work and religions to some people are the same, however it is not that the Cuban people love Communism but simply the State enforces its right with an iron fist and obviously you can try to emancipate yourself only so often... so in a way that bigotry some people put up with can either be sustained, or rejected. Invariably it depends on how effective the leaders of these systems are at "convincing" them that rejecting it, is not a good idea.

 
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Nightwing on June 15, 2006, 05:23:20 PM
The failure of communism has always been with the leaders. The failures of religion today lie with those who represent the masses. And those who inspire them.

Comedy Central is probably doing the censoring for its own benefit. Sounds rather awful really, but free speech has always had its limits. Many are set by what is socially acceptable. And whatever fails to cause a large enough uproar is deemed fair.

There's probably some middle ground where you could stand, but it's a largely empty place.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Hyllyn on June 15, 2006, 07:40:01 PM
The failure of communism has always been with the leaders. The failures of religion today lie with those who represent the masses. And those who inspire them.


 And those who represent the masses aren't leaders?

 Allow me to disagree with the statement on communism. Usually the process is one of polarization where any opposition is seen with hatred and contempt (and anti patriotic of course). This makes every single person partaking in positions of responsibility within the government potentially corrupt even before they start to do anything, simply because all decisions are not made based on merit but on who is against them or with them.

 Truth of the matter is that as any man-made system (including religions, microsoft windows and the british lawmaking :rofl:) it is bound to sound pretty in theory but and absolute failure in practice.
Title: Re: Political Correctness Gone Overboard!!!
Post by: Nightwing on June 15, 2006, 08:30:50 PM
It's not that difficult to represent a group so large you could not begin to comprehend its scope when you can bring yourself to the front utilising a variety of methods available in todays world. Perhaps it's just a matter of defining a leader. They are not MY leaders, yet they represent what an entire belief system means. That's the difference. The masses aren't a country after all, there is no true representative unless his position can not be challenged (dictator) or is obtained by the consent of the majority (that other more fun form of government).

Communism is a delightful concept. The reason it fails is that it forgets to take into account the nature of humans. But you've already stated that. Try petitioning for the installation of a dictatorship in a democracy and you shall meet the same hatred and contempt. Don't forget the persecution of Communist parties during the Cold War (please don't ask for specifics, it's somewhere out there to be read).

Equality is actually flawed from every angle.  Most people don't want to be equal. They just want everyone else to be equal. Or to paraphrase/quote from Animal Farm - "All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others."

It's very different from religion though. In religion, each religion has its own problems that have very little to do with the faith. Socio-economic conditions make the people need to lash out. The reason those conditions exist has nothing to do with religion but more to do with wars long past, won and lost. When they never recovered, they turned to religion to find solace in something above and beyond "petty mortal pursuits". But you can never isolate yourself, and a jealous rage must manifest itself in some form. The violent protesters, even in this country, live in very different conditions from the majority. Wherever the blame for that may lie, it is not a difficult thing to bring all that self-pity to the fore when one's sense of self is all that one has.

It's striking the balance that is so tricky. But the balance is in a quiet place. Those who can balance, rarely represent. Pity.

Microsoft Windows works just fine for me. It's only running something on Windows that causes the problems.