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Off Topic Section => World Events => Topic started by: Phil on October 16, 2005, 04:53:58 PM
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Obviously as I live in the North of Ireland, I don't directly contribute into who forms government - we've a democratic deficit here, because the three main parties in Great Britain don't stand for election over here....
But if I did vote over there I would definitely vote Labour, regardless of its unpopular leadership I think it is the grassroots of the party that is important, the backbenchers who represent their constituencies. Now, I like Tony Blair myself, so nothing would stop me voting Labour (if I could). Plus, if anyone, it'll be a Labour government which will unite Ireland, which'll be one for me :P
As I said, I live in the Occupied 6 of Ireland, so I vote Sinn Fein. But in terms of this poll, I'm clicking Labour. :da:
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Lol... well if you look at the choices we have, we are not exactly spoilt for choice... so yeah, probably Labour.::)
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I vote labour. Although, I have to say I do not have much faith in them. It is a case of voting for the least worst of a bad lot!! I think it is disgusting that there is no real representative of the masses any more. A party that really represents the working classes is desperately needed imo. I bet they would get in ... no problem. No wonder people are so disinterested in politics when they have no voice or any say about what happens to them.
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No one in my family votes because we feel it is actually a waste of time. My parents used to the same one each year (can't remember what) and they never won, so they thought what was the point and stopped and now that my brothers and myself are of "legal age" to vote, we don't bother either.
(Oh and no one say "well don't complain" or whatever because I don't :dry: )
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Lol... well if you look at the choices we have, we are not exactly spoilt for choice... so yeah, probably Labour.::)
Hey, it's better than America....2 parties who are practically the same.
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I'll be able to vote next time round and I intend to vote Labour. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote wasted due to out first past the post system and the Tories scare the hell out of me. ::)
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Obviously as I live in the North of Ireland, I don't directly contribute into who forms government - we've a democratic deficit here, because the three main parties in Great Britain don't stand for election over here....
But if I did vote over there I would definitely vote Labour, regardless of its unpopular leadership I think it is the grassroots of the party that is important, the backbenchers who represent their constituencies. Now, I like Tony Blair myself, so nothing would stop me voting Labour (if I could). Plus, if anyone, it'll be a Labour government which will unite Ireland, which'll be one for me :P
As I said, I live in the Occupied 6 of Ireland, so I vote Sinn Fein. But in terms of this poll, I'm clicking Labour. :da:
That's not true. Sometimes they do stand (I believe Consevatives stood in 3 seats in Northern Ireland in 2005, and 4 in 2001 - but that's off the top of my head), but because no one ever votes for them the main parties have decided not to bother.to stand. And, of course, the Unionist parties are off-shoots of the Conservative Party anyway, the Liberal Democrats endorse The Alliance, and the SDLP are an off-shoot of the Labour Party.
I also think your list of parties is faulted: 22% of people in Brighton voted Green party; both UKIP and Greens have European MPs; Plaid Cymru and SNP?
And, of course, you have made one fundamental mistake with your poll which is why we don't have the same party all the time: there are floating voters - people who change their vote, so they wouldn't have a party.
I am a floating voter myself but I align myself more with one than the other two (but I would vote for all three).
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Ideally I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats as I agree with most of their values, not all but a fair few. Although in the real world, the constituency in which I live is a very clear Labour majority and so a vote for them doesn't really go anywhere. The only thing I do know is that I would never go Conservative or any further right wing.
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Do you do A level politics on the CCEA board? :dry:
Ahh, thing about the Lib Dems is that alot of their policies are extremely fair, but their flaw is that many of them are too idealistic.
Its interesting, I went on the Liberal Party's website and seen they were still about. I thought they died off after the split. They're still proud of being the government about 500 years ago... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Do you do A level politics on the CCEA board? :dry:
Ahh, thing about the Lib Dems is that alot of their policies are extremely fair, but their flaw is that many of them are too idealistic.
Its interesting, I went on the Liberal Party's website and seen they were still about. I thought they died off after the split. They're still proud of being the government about 500 years ago... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
83 years ago in a coalition government (90 years ago on their own).
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Don't try and be a smart-ass. I was exaggerating and you know it.
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this is a poll on which party you will vote for please try to keep it to that and not degenerating into arguments about who is best. Just state you opinion and let others state theirs
Lessa
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Obviously as I live in the North of Ireland, I don't directly contribute into who forms government - we've a democratic deficit here, because the three main parties in Great Britain don't stand for election over here....
But if I did vote over there I would definitely vote Labour, regardless of its unpopular leadership I think it is the grassroots of the party that is important, the backbenchers who represent their constituencies. Now, I like Tony Blair myself, so nothing would stop me voting Labour (if I could). Plus, if anyone, it'll be a Labour government which will unite Ireland, which'll be one for me :P
As I said, I live in the Occupied 6 of Ireland, so I vote Sinn Fein. But in terms of this poll, I'm clicking Labour. :da:
That's not true. Sometimes they do stand (I believe Consevatives stood in 3 seats in Northern Ireland in 2005, and 4 in 2001 - but that's off the top of my head), but because no one ever votes for them the main parties have decided not to bother.to stand. And, of course, the Unionist parties are off-shoots of the Conservative Party anyway, the Liberal Democrats endorse The Alliance, and the SDLP are an off-shoot of the Labour Party.
I also think your list of parties is faulted: 22% of people in Brighton voted Green party; both UKIP and Greens have European MPs; Plaid Cymru and SNP?
And, of course, you have made one fundamental mistake with your poll which is why we don't have the same party all the time: there are floating voters - people who change their vote, so they wouldn't have a party.
I am a floating voter myself but I align myself more with one than the other two (but I would vote for all three).
I think the point of his poll is what party would you vote to go into government. I think its fair to say that the UKIP, Green party, Plaid Cymru and the SNP won't be the government or opposition as long as Labour and the Tories are around.
I personally would have voted for Labour. I like a lot of Lib dem policies but to be honest they're soft touches on a lot of issue, Conservatives can't decide on a long term party leader never mind sit in government, and most of their policies where nicked by Tony anyway.
Otherwise, I vote for Sinn Fein.
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I have never, nor will I ever vote.
Until someone comes along who I agree with, I won't vote.
And no, I don't complain :dry:
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I have never, nor will I ever vote.
Until someone comes along who I agree with, I won't vote.
And no, I don't complain :dry:
Well, it seems you're complaining about immigration in the Christmas topic.
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Jeez you don't like me much lately do you?
This is a completey different topic. When some party says they're gonna keep people out of the UK who don't belong, then I may vote. Right now, I don't want to vote for any of the b*****s.
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You mean like the British national party?
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Jeez you don't like me much lately do you?
I do like you. Yeah Jim's right. The two parties who say that, are the National Front, and the BNP....
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Don't seem like it, nit-picking :(
Anyways, the BNP? Don't know anything about them...I have no interest in politics, which is mainly why I don't vote.
But immigration isn't the only thing I look for in a party, theres loads of things I'd like enforced.
I just don;t vote because I have no interest in the parties out there now
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And where are these? :(
http://www.omrlp.com/
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Hahaha, now thats a party I'd vote for Nil! ;)
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Well a crazy country/world need a crazy party!
have you read their manifestos? :D
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It would certainly make the houses of parliament more lively :laugh:
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That is the best thing I have ever read!
Honestly, they have explained my perfect country haha!! :laugh:
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Don't seem like it, nit-picking :(
Anyways, the BNP? Don't know anything about them...I have no interest in politics, which is mainly why I don't vote.
But immigration isn't the only thing I look for in a party, theres loads of things I'd like enforced.
I just don;t vote because I have no interest in the parties out there now
The BNP are a party who, basically, have their head up their arse :) A lot of their views are racist, homophobic and secterian. A lot of their policies revolve around sending immigrints home though, which is why people vote for them. It justifies their biggoted views that because its a political party, and not the national front, that it's okay. I had a good laugh at their Northern Ireland policy, it just proved further to me they haven't got a clue, their heads are in the clouds.
Not that I;m labeling you any of those things, I'm not, I know your a bit more sensible than that to be honest, but you seem like you would like some of their immigration policies.
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Give it a rest ::)
I usually vote Labour. Tories lost it a long time ago, Lib Dems haven't quite found it yet and most of the fringe loonies are ... well ... loonies. I have always voted. Too many people died to give me the vote for me to throw it away by not using it.
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Give it a rest about what?
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Aye ano give it a rest about what?
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Why give your confidence to people who don't deserve it, I say; a vote is a personal endorsement of policies and ideals of a(n) group of/individual person(s).
It's sad that my people fought, died, clawed, scraped and sacrificed to earn our vote and our civil rights, and yet there's not really anybody with enough integrity and midline thinking in our political system as to be worth a damn. If anyone, I'd vote Sinn Fein, mainly because they are excellent Councellors for our constituencies.....other than that, you have the SDLP, who are dead.....Alliance, who are basically the DUP's bootlickers.....UUP, who fundamentally turn my stomach sometimes, and the DUP, whose policies spit in the face of human rights, spit in the face of each and every person on this island and even spits in the face of the British government they claim to love so much.
The occupied counties political system isn't worth a s[CENSORED]t and god do we ever know it.....
As for England, I'd vote Lib Dems, if only just in pure spite against the Tories and Labour, the latter of which will only become respectable again as soon as Tony Blair is replaced. Great politician and all, but he wields his power sometimes like a child with a toy- and rarely takes "no" for an answer- hence why so many young British men and women lost their lives in Iraq.
Politics can be a very pointless game, but one in which we all must take heed of if we're to know the rights and laws of the everyman.....
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I know people died to give us a right to vote, but at the end of the day, I never asked for the right to vote, and I don't like any of the parties around, so why should I vote because I can?
Its a waste of a vote. I can't vote if I don't agree with the person I'm voting for ???
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When I can be bothered voting, I vote Lib Dem as the Monster Raving Loonies don't have a candidate in my area :'(
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Why give your confidence to people who don't deserve it, I say; a vote is a personal endorsement of policies and ideals of a(n) group of/individual person(s).
It's sad that my people fought, died, clawed, scraped and sacrificed to earn our vote and our civil rights, and yet there's not really anybody with enough integrity and midline thinking in our political system as to be worth a damn. If anyone, I'd vote Sinn Fein, mainly because they are excellent Councellors for our constituencies.....other than that, you have the SDLP, who are dead.....Alliance, who are basically the DUP's bootlickers.....UUP, who fundamentally turn my stomach sometimes, and the DUP, whose policies spit in the face of human rights, spit in the face of each and every person on this island and even spits in the face of the British government they claim to love so much.
The occupied counties political system isn't worth a s[CENSORED]t and god do we ever know it.....
As for England, I'd vote Lib Dems, if only just in pure spite against the Tories and Labour, the latter of which will only become respectable again as soon as Tony Blair is replaced. Great politician and all, but he wields his power sometimes like a child with a toy- and rarely takes "no" for an answer- hence why so many young British men and women lost their lives in Iraq.
Politics can be a very pointless game, but one in which we all must take heed of if we're to know the rights and laws of the everyman.....
Well to be honest, it's not as if we are voting for the Westminster Government. People fought and died for our votes in the North but it was part of the Civil rights movement. Some people have 5 votes and others had none.
The North's voting is dominated by partition. Either your for or against it, and people have even asked the green party on their views for it, which they have none as far as I know, so they don't get the votes apart from being in local councils.
While I don't like the DUP and the UUP, Ian Paiso is known to be good to his constituents as part of his job, and Sinn Fein do a good job aswell.
We don't actually have much of a political system right now to vote for, but when (and I mean when, not if) the assembly goes back up, we will and each vote will be crucial.
If I was in the mainland UK? I'd vote Labour.
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vote vote vote vote.
Everyone should get off of their lazy rearends and go vote when the day rolls around. Doesn't matter if its the biggest national election of the century or the one close to home. Get up and go vote.
Really- this is the easier duty we could POSSIBLY have as citizens. And how many people don't even bother? Its a disgrace.
Especially the local elections. Very often local elections are settled by only a few hundred votes. And when you take into account how many THOUSANDS of people in a district don't vote. The election could go any which way.
As for myself- my party. Here in the US of A we aren't scant on choices- just scant on parties that have any power. The two biggies though ::shudder:: pass. I vote independent. The best candidate, the best platforms, ideas, values. Best alternatives. I vote for who I think is the best for the position- I don't give a flying fig what the parties think.
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vote vote vote vote.
Everyone should get off of their lazy rearends and go vote when the day rolls around. Doesn't matter if its the biggest national election of the century or the one close to home. Get up and go vote.
Really- this is the easier duty we could POSSIBLY have as citizens. And how many people don't even bother? Its a disgrace.
Especially the local elections. Very often local elections are settled by only a few hundred votes. And when you take into account how many THOUSANDS of people in a district don't vote. The election could go any which way.
As for myself- my party. Here in the US of A we aren't scant on choices- just scant on parties that have any power. The two biggies though ::shudder:: pass. I vote independent. The best candidate, the best platforms, ideas, values. Best alternatives. I vote for who I think is the best for the position- I don't give a flying fig what the parties think.
Maybe in the USA its different, but you can't tell people to vote, and make them feel bad for not voting.
In Wales' last election, I voted Monster Raving Loony Party because lets face it, they got their heads screwed on more than the damn Labour party or Tory's (spit) and I also voted Independent, which is who got into power i.e. Dai Davis and Trish Law. Although, I only voted for them because I know they're local, and they at least have SOME notion of the problems of the county (plus I know Trish's and Dai's best mate ;))
However, working in the Community Development Sector and Voluntary Sector, I see everyday the problems the communities of Blaenau Gwent face, and I KNOW that none of the political parties will help.
They barely have a clue what issues are rife here!
So although I voted for my local elections, I wouldn't vote in the national ones or whatever they are, because 1) I have no interest in Party Politics and 2) there's no one good enough to vote for!
Therefore, if I don't vote, it's my RIGHT as a British and Welsh Citizen not too :)
And please, don't give me that 'people died for your right to vote....' line. I know they did, but thats not the issue these days is it :)
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No, I can't Make anyone go and vote, but its something I feel very strongly about.
I don't think I said anything that would make someone feel bad (unless they were already feeling guilty about not voting- which case I apologize)- its simply where I stand on the issue. Does anyone know what percent of the population capable of voting actually does? In the United States, rarely much higher than 50% And thats for Big elections. Presidential. Is that sad to anyone else? Its sad to me. Wikipedia (I know, I know- not exactly a leak proof document, but useful) has a lovely chart on its "Voter Turnout" page listing the approximate voter turn out for several countries, and denotes which ones have compulsory voting. The highest noncompulsory country was Malta. With 94%. Amazing. United States? I'm glad to be one of the 54% of us that bother.
Japan- 71%
Sweden- 86%
Israel- 80%
United Kingdom- 76%
Austria- 92%
Just to list a few.
Then comes the US of A. 54%
I hope that is might seem a little less harsh when I say that it is a "disgrace." Because really- that is. Every citizen that makes up that 46% that did not vote has an opinion on how they think things ought to be run, they just couldn't bother to go and say so. (And yes- there are some countries with about the same turnout as the US, and some lower, but I'm not in them to take a look around at the demographic- so any judgement is withheld.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout)
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I do see what you mean, and I do agree with you, especially when your number of voters is so low. But, from a British point of view, none of the Party's that you can vote for are any good. I've not heard of one party that would make Britian better, they're all just pointless lol.
But then people I would consider voting for, such as the Green Party, nefer get enough votes anyway, because people always vote for either 'Labour' or 'Conservative' - two parties I think the British people need to stand up and realise are a load of bull :)
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Oh Icy- trust me. I understand that point of view. We have the oh-so-wonderful democrats and republicans. Republicans usually win out, but its pretty much 50/50. Lovely. Which is why I am independent.
SO many people in this country are die-hard party liners. They do what their party says. Period. Doesn't matter WHO the rep is for their party- they get voted for. Its annoying. And its also easy. If you have no care or desire to know anything about anything of whats going on, just vote for the party. Trust them. And usually, gripe later.
Though I have no problems listening to someone that actually voted complain.
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My political views are apathetic.
It means that I couldn't give a rat's arse about anything political. I think it's a load of rubbish.
I didn't even vote in the last election.
I think that voting changes nothing and that the government seem to be the problem, not the solution.
Jesus Christ, I sound like an anarchist.