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Off Topic Section => World Events => Topic started by: Gilly on July 21, 2005, 07:28:09 PM
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Has London been attacked again then? ??? >(
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Well, somethings happened...
Not sure what ???
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Three dummy bombs on three tube trains and one dummy bomb on a bus. No one hurt but millions of sirens going off everywhere. *growls*
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i just herd that they were nail bombs.
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They're small bombs and only one person's hurt- but thats just from what i've heard on the news right now
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Not dummy, just poorly calculated. The bombers knew they were meant to die so didn't do it properly because they were scared, I assume, one even ditched the bomb on the train and ran!
The IRA use nails in their bombs, they can cause a lot more devastation.
:-\ I hate Thursdays
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Only one injury this time, thank god. I haven't stopped watching the news and wishing there was more I could do. :(
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Yes,unfortunately again.....The question is WHY??????????This people are sik and MAD!!!!!!!!!I hate them,really!Today I had luck-I thouhg to use the underground....But something stoped me....
I have no words about that :(It is terrible!
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It's been two weeks since the last time it happened. The person who was injured was apparently the one who was setting the bombs up or something. :-\
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From what I gather it was one of the bombers injured when the bomb went off in his backpack :-\
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One bomb was in a bag left unattended on the top deck of a bus. You'd think that, given the bombing only two weeks ago, the passengers who said they noticed it would have reported it, wouldn't you? It's amazing how quickly people can become complacent again.
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I was watching BBC News 24 and they were talking to a woman who had been present at the tube hit where the dude had left the package and ran off the train, and she said people were like, picking the package up and things..Pretty bizzare thing to do, considering the circumstances...
Apparently theres only two injurys though which is good..Pretty stupid move from the terrorist side of things, considering none of the bombs worked successfully (if they were actually meant to at all). Security is alot tighter now, I'll bet a CCTV camera has picked up one or two of the guys not to mention the guy that was injured by his own bomb...meh..hopefully these new attacks will speed up the investigation and help the Police catch these FI's.
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i feel so bad for the UK! why would they be bombing the UK(London to be exact) anyways? ???
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Because they hate Tony Blair, but i guarantee somewhere else in Britain will be targeted
Apparently earlier this morning police shot dead a terror suspect???
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Yeah in Stockwell apparently, the stations all closed off. Eye witness said a man was running towards the train (..I think it was towards..) tripped, and then the whole carraige saw the policemen shoot the guy five times in the back. Its like somehting out of a film..
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Wasn't he a suspect from yesterday???
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I think it is thought that he is part of the gang of suicide bombers.....but most definate one of the suspects from yesterday if they took the measures to shoot him down.
And then they tried to revive him?!?! :-\
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We want these SOB's alive!
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No we dont! >( Then we would have to pay to keep them!
Its good to see the police doing something to deter the bombers imo. Stoopid sod should have stopped if he was innocent. No doubt he wasnt and got everything he deserved. >(
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We want them alive so they can reveal future plans!
I don't mind my money going on them so long as it saves lives of INNOCENT civilians!
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Yes yes, they've done it again. No-one got killed though, thankfully.
They obviously peed their pants and effed it up, so nothing went off, right?
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The shooting of a could-be innocent man yesterday is an absolute outrage...some questions must be brought up after the shooting...
- Were the Brits operating an illegal (against all human rights laws) shoot-to-kill policy? (This brings back chilling memories of the RUC's shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland against innocent Catholics) Or did they fire in panic?
- Why wasn't the suspect arrested before he entered a crowded Underground rail station, I mean he was under close surveillance, therefore the Brits should've known he was carrying a bomb.
- Why was it necessary to fire five bullets into his head from point blank range?
- Will there now be an open and independent inquiry into the shooting?
No doubt he wasnt and got everything he deserved
And you know this for sure? ::)
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The shooting of a could-be innocent man yesterday is an absolute outrage...some questions must be brought up after the shooting...
- Were the Brits operating an illegal (against all human rights laws) shoot-to-kill policy? (This brings back chilling memories of the RUC's shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland against innocent Catholics) Or did they fire in panic?
- Why wasn't the suspect arrested before he entered a crowded Underground rail station, I mean he was under close surveillance, therefore the Brits should've known he was carrying a bomb.
- Why was it necessary to fire five bullets into his head from point blank range?
- Will there now be an open and independent inquiry into the shooting?
Agreed...but you think many brits really give a damn about this guy being shot?
But really...what is the point in shooting the guy, did he pose a threat, did he have any weapons on him?NO
And yes, point plank range...from behind...something dodgy happened here...
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Of course, this is a propeganda war, as well as a terrorist war. Eyewitness reports tell that the young fella being chased was absolutely petrified....this is outrageous!!! >(
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I only feel for this guy if he actually had anything to do with the recent events in London
And now Egypt has been attacked >(
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It was announced that he had nothing to with the investigation into the bomb scares on Thursday.
This is appalling. >( >(
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This is all rumour and supposition. I prefer to reserve judgement until a full investigation has been carried out and the facts are evident.
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The shooting of a could-be innocent man yesterday is an absolute outrage...some questions must be brought up after the shooting...
- Were the Brits operating an illegal (against all human rights laws) shoot-to-kill policy? (This brings back chilling memories of the RUC's shoot to kill policy in Northern Ireland against innocent Catholics) Or did they fire in panic?
- Why wasn't the suspect arrested before he entered a crowded Underground rail station, I mean he was under close surveillance, therefore the Brits should've known he was carrying a bomb.
- Why was it necessary to fire five bullets into his head from point blank range?
- Will there now be an open and independent inquiry into the shooting?
No doubt he wasnt and got everything he deserved
And you know this for sure? ::)
1. So why didnt he do as the officers asked him then?
2. Why did he run away?
3. What did he have to hide?
You have to remember that if a suicide bomber intends to blow up and kill himself and others, then obviously if the police try to stop such a person then they have to act within a very fast time frame, otherwise that suspect could have maybe set off something he was carrying.
What they did was not an outrage! What the suicide bombers do is an outrage! I am glad that the police have done at least SOMETHING.
Stopping such methods of terrorism is nigh on impossible. If someone is determined to kill themselves and others, by means of a concealed bomb this is extremely difficult to detect. The police had this guy under surveillance, he emerged from a house that was connected to some of the suspects, they followed him, he ran and failed to respond to their warnings. What do you think they should have done, tapped him on the shoulder and said 'oh excuse me, I want to just search you now' yeah RITE!
And if he HAD detonated a bomb.... what would you be saying right now eh? The total opposite......
1. Why didnt they stop him?
2. Where are the stiffer policies we have been promised?
3. Why didnt they step in and neutralise the threat immediately? especially if they knew he might be armed....
I strikes me that they cant win no matter what they do. All I know is that the safety of the public is paramount in their instructions.
5 shots at point blank range in the head? I want to know more about that before I comment on it.
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BBC news tonight - the man shot dead has been identified as a Brazilian not connected with the bombers.
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BBC news tonight - the man shot dead has been identified as a Brazilian not connected with the bombers.
Well, that is a great shame. But I still think that the points I have made are valid.
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I agree with Bel. She has valid points.
This is unfortunatley the way it is in this country now... We have been too soft on criminals in general, whether they are British, or not! The whole judicial system in my opinion sucks big time. The punishments of these terrorists/criminals/whatever are just hopeless. You can get away with murder here in this country. You dont even seem to get a "life" sentence any more...and when you do, you are treated as though you are kept in a 5 star hotel! The criminals in this country will never learn respect, and the government will just carry on being soft.
The difference between right and wrong are becoming one big blur.
Ok... rant over for now.
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The brazilian guy was innocent wasn't he?
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Yes apparently he was innocent but that doesn't explain why he ran when told to stay put by the armed police officers. You can understand the police reaction in such circumstances. As with any shooting involving a policeman it will be investigted as to the whys and wherefores over the next wekk or so.
Lessa
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He might just not have had a valid Visa or Passport or something, and then panicked when the Police told him to freeze..Fight or Flight Syndrome...Is that reason enough to be shot in the head?
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we don't know the ins and outs of what happened before the shooting. If a person is suspected of having explosives on him/her then shooting them in the body would be disatrous as it would in all likelihood detonate the explosives. This is why they use a head shot rather then anywhere else.
Lessa
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Yeah heard that on the news yesterday. But still..This does come across a bit flippant to me. Was there a reason they couldnt shoot them in the limbs or something?..Maybe thats because the person could potentially still detonate the "bomb"..I don't know, this whole incident doesn't rest easy.
The thing that does get me is he was suspected to be carrying explosives, but on what grounds? That he had different colour skin, a padded jacket and a rucksack? And that he had apparently been seen to come out of a house connected with the bombings? Yeah, running probably wasnt the smartest thing to do if he indeed was innocent, but like I said, fight or flight, people panic in those situations. They obviously didn't know who this person was by name, or they would have found out what they have now, that hes Brazilian and not connected.
This is going to strike fear in alot of people particularly those with different coloured skin wearing big coats and backpacks who have to travel the tube.
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well if you shoot some in a limb who ahs explosives strapped to themselves they are going to set thenm off so the police can't risk that.
As for the whys and the wherefors of the whole thing it is best not to speculate but to await the report. Then you can condemn or congratulate the police whichever is most appropriate. In the meantime such speculation doesn't help the situation but rather inflames an already difficult task the police have.
Lessa
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But the chief of police has already apologised...
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Well of course he has. He couldn't do otherwise. They still jave to determine exactly waht happened though.
Lessa
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The whole thing is just basically a nightmare for every one whos involved...and now those who are'nt.
The police have, like Lessa said, got a bad situation, made worse by reacting to what they thought was a suspect situation. After the other weeks bombings, it has seemingly got the Police on edge, so they are obviously a bit panicky. I am not making excuses for them, or for the bombers, or anyone else. Its just turned everything on top of itself, all those involved are "over-reacting" or some may argue, doing the best they can to stop future attacks.
Like someone said in another post, in perhaps a different topic, we, as a country, and our government have been somewhat complacent in the past, thinking "This will never happen in our country"
Indeed we have been proved wrong, and its got the government, police, security all in a state of "red alert" or panic. They are the ones who need to get on top of this situation, and calmly deal with it, so then the nation will begin to trust them again.
All the while the Police or who ever make "rash" decisions, like the one with the Brazilian, the public are not going to be able to trust, are they.
Its a situation which is/has been blown up into a big nightmare!
Did I make any sense there? :-\
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The police have apologised unreservedly for making a 'lamentable error'. Given that they are currently toting firearms on the street, it's extremely worrying that they could be so lacking in judgement, instinct and training that they could shoot dead an innocent man, and furthermore, stake out the wrong address. Is there room for such deadly incompetency when so much is at stake?
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There we go. The "suspect" had ran from the police because he didn't update his Student Visa and he didn't want to be prosecuted. Does that justify state murder?
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What if im walking round with a bag on my back and i reach in to pull out say a sandwich...should they shoot me? Because i may look like a terrorist?
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This brings back shocking memories of the British Army in Northern Ireland, shooting innocent catholics, dragging them from their homes....it seems as if any government can get away with murder, providing they use "terrorism" as an alibi.
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We all know it could happen again. We cannot just stop these things happening completely. We can't just keep an eye on every person who we think could be at risk of bombing any city in the UK. We don't have the resources and plus, what is the point. We cannot stop bombing anywhere. There will be more threats on our country whether we like it or not, we can't stop people just doing things, though we can try to track down them before they follow their plans through.
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*sighs* so...somebody gives the armed police (not the safest people around) shoot on 'suspicion' orders, and you all think that's reasonable? Now i'm sorry, but if a bunch of plain-clothes guys with guns start shouting at me, you bet your arse i'm running! Let alone if i was trying to avoid prosecution for being in the country illegally. The only grounds i would accept for the killing of a terrorism subject are the kind of grounds that would see them prosecuted in court, otherwise the police are nothing more then a well armed and well trained street gang. And if the problem is neutralising them without setting of bombs...well what the hang! We've got these handy tazor things now! Aren't they neat? Look! He can't move! well I guess he might set of BOMB while he has no control over his body whatsoever! Oh! Well maybe we should shoot him repeatedly in the back of the head, now everyone's happpy :D
Bel, how can you say you're glad they're doing something, when it involves killing an innocent? unless our immigration policy is getting evven more hard-line these days? ???
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This country's immigration policy is a bit naff to say the least...
But that isnt the issue, completely... its the home-grown ones you got to worry about, after all they were the ones who bombed London on the 7th July. They were British.
And as for the police... Well, I dont exactly agree with the way they do things either, they cant seem to organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone anything else. ::) ???
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oh absolutely, but given the case in point, the bloke they shot wasn't from this country, if it's the 'home grown' (ugly phrase by the way ;) ) ones they need to worry about, why are the focusing on people who's face doesn't fit? ??? it's not the organisation that worries me so much as the fat that the british armed police, who are, lets be honest, bad enough already (we all remember harry stanley right?) have just been given an excuse, a license to kill, with very much excessive force.
now so long as they fail to organise leaving the station in the morning (which is pretty feasible) i feel safer ;)
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This is just because I want to say this... so please... dont mess with me...
The IRA said (sometime, I dont really remember when) that they would stop their attacks on the U.K.. So that would rule out an IRA attack. But who knows, maybe they were really lying, just to get people to take their gaurd down a tiny bit.
I suppose it is Bin Laden's guys, but then again (and as I have said) who knows...
I feel really bad right now, all these bombings recently (London, that resort in Africa, recent bomings in Iraq), and the Hurricanes here (Katrina and Rita). This isnt a good year... and I want all this crap to end...
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The IRA said (sometime, I dont really remember when) that they would stop their attacks on the U.K..
The IRA have been on ceasefire since 1994, formely disbanded in August and decommissioned all arms in September. What are you talking about?
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The IRA said (sometime, I dont really remember when) that they would stop their attacks on the U.K..
The IRA have been on ceasefire since 1994, formely disbanded in August and decommissioned all arms in September. What are you talking about?
I am just ruling out a possible IRA bombing... gosh... -feels hated-
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No need to feel hated, I dont hate you kid. :)