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Off Topic Section => World Events => Topic started by: Hyllyn on May 27, 2005, 05:17:55 PM
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Kitchen knife ban sought
Accident and emergency doctors today call for the banning of long, sharp kitchen knives, arguing they account for at least half of all stabbings.
They say such knives slice through clothing and penetrate vital organs.
"Many assaults are impulsive, often triggered by alcohol or misuse of other drugs, and the long, pointed kitchen knife is an easily accessible, potentially lethal weapon, particularly in the domestic setting," say the doctors from the West Middlesex university hospital, London, in the British Medical Journal.
Knives "of less than 5cm [2ins] in length" or with blunt, round ends would meet culinary needs and be far less likely to result in fatalities.
The doctors, Emma Hern, Will Glazebrook and Mike Beckett, say: "Unfortunately, no data seem to have been collected to indicate how often kitchen knives are used in stabbings, but our own experience and that of police officers and pathologists we have spoken to indicate they are used in at least half of all cases.
"UK government statistics show that 24% of all 16-year-old boys report carrying knives or other weapons, and 19% admitting attacking someone with the intent to cause harm.
"Although other weapons - such as baseball bats, screwdrivers and chains - are also carried, by far the most common weapons are knives."
Copyright © 2005 The Guardian. Source: Financial Times Information Limited
A while ago we were debating about swords being banned, I remember many of you asking, whatever next?
Well this is next... I wonder if they will make DIY illegal after that to prevent people from stabbing other people with screwdrivers, trowels and masking tape.
*makes another note of the wonderful things that happen in this place*
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2"! How are you supposed to carve with a 2" knife? Or cut up a melon? Or slice a cabbage? Or anything larger than a cherry tomato? Next thing you know they'll be banning saucepans because some maniac might try and brain someone with one ... Tell you what, let's all stop eating - solve the obesity problem too. >(
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Next they'll be banning bare hands ::)
Gotta love it when the gun control debate reaches it's ultimate conclusion, hehehehehe
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Appalling! Anyway, we're not going to get inspectors coming round to every house in Britain confiscating them and melting them down are we? *makes secret stash*
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Absolute cod wallops...
What, soon we will end up having plastic cutlery ::)
To eat properly we need the proper items to cook ::)
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Wow, that's...really stupid. Um, if the knives are used as weapons while people are drunk or high, shouldn't something be done about the drink or the drug? :-\ I mean, come on, people. I think the government just wants too much power.
I laugh much at the stupidity of it all.
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2"! How are you supposed to carve with a 2" knife? Or cut up a melon? Or slice a cabbage? Or anything larger than a cherry tomato? Next thing you know they'll be banning saucepans because some maniac might try and brain someone with one ... Tell you what, let's all stop eating - solve the obesity problem too. >(
Anne with the advent of convenience food the laws of this country might soon force you to buy your vegetables already cut, sliced, chopped, or diced... then in their stupid little minds the problem will be sorted... problem is prices for pre cut stuff is always an awful lot more than usual, say a Cantaloupe melon might cost you say £1 half of it cut in slices will cost you £1.80 ::)
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if the knives are used as weapons while people are drunk or high, shouldn't something be done about the drink or the drug? :-\
Totally agree with you there! It's so stupid banning kitchen knives as the majority of us wouldn't even consider attempting to injure someone with them. More action should be taken against drugs and alcohol, some people change instantly under the influence of these addictions. I've seen it. I think drugs should be banned all together and only a certain amount of alcohol allowed for people and such. OK, I do drink, yes, but not often and I only have a few bottles at most.
This whole banning swords and kitchen knives is so stupid!...And yet again I ask...What next?!!
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None of us can deny there is a large knife problem in the Uk...as well as guns.....Isiotic youths think it is COOL to carry a knife with them. They think they are hard if they get into a fight and stab another person. A kitchen knife could be used in one of these incidents.
I personally do not care. I will just buy ready cut things ::)
Never had an accident in the kitchens where I work as a waitress...and there are like 10-15 peeps in a TINY kitchen working with knives and scissors...no accident at all..
Anyways blame the stupid youths of today who beleive it is a wiase thing to stab eachother for this ban :)
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None of us can deny there is a large knife problem in the Uk...as well as guns.....Isiotic youths think it is COOL to carry a knife with them. They think they are hard if they get into a fight and stab another person. A kitchen knife could be used in one of these incidents.
Youths thinking it is cool to carry a knife is nothing new. THAT was going on as far back as as the 50's and 60's... and the LAST thing they would do would be to carry a kitchen knife!!! THAT would not be seen as being so cool!!! :P
I personally do not care. I will just buy ready cut things ::) Well, you must have plenty of money then! I do not want to pay exorbitant rates for fresh food, just because the government have been so dictatorial that I am not allowed to cut my own food! >( >(
Never had an accident in the kitchens where I work as a waitress...and there are like 10-15 peeps in a TINY kitchen working with knives and scissors...no accident at all..
Anyways blame the stupid youths of today who beleive it is a wiase thing to stab eachother for this ban :) No as I said the Government is to blame, NOT the youths. What will they ban next eh? Scissors? Screwdrivers? Knitting needles? CROCHET HOOKS??!!?? :8o :8o :8o >(
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I think pippy has got a point. I think it IS the youths, i mean, look at them, they think its 'big' and 'hard' to carry knives and such, they live in their own fantasies about being 'gangsters' thinking its 'cool' to carry lethal weapons around, it isn't the governments fault at all, its these kids who take drugs, who binge drink, who walk around like the world has a grudge against them, its these kids that carry the knives, the government dont put them in their hands, pat them on the back and go tell them to play nice... :dry:
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Well fact is, we will ALWAYS have a nice amount of knives stashed somewhere, tis just the government trying to act on something that the public want, but very little can be done ::)
Are stores to sell ONLY ready cut things? I think not ::)
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Removing the weapons will not remove the violence. Its will probably just result in some kind of black market kitchen knife trading... ::)
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Lol Mort, you could well be right. I agree that removing weapons
will not remove violence.
I don't see what this ban of kitchen knives is going to do. I don't
think that it's going to bring any good. Even if they do ban knives,
there is still going to be violence anyway.
About the situation of who's to blame, people would think that
youths would be to blame because they are acting irresponsibly
and if they did kill someone by using a knive then they'd be
responsible because they killed someone which is classed as
murder.
However, the government probably would be to blame
because they haven't done enough to tackle the problems that
crime do bring to society. Discipline perhaps should be another
thing that could be sorted out, bring back National Service or
something (yeah I know I sound silly for saying it but I don't care
and maybe it could sort out the problems).
Another point I'd like to add about the youths, I read in a paper
that youths do carry weapons for reasons such as self-defence
because they don't feel safe in their neighbourhood anymore.
I'll admit that I did carry a knife with me NOT because I thought
it was cool (I don't think it is cool), I carried a knife with me when
I'd go out because of self-defence because I didn't feel safe in my
neighbourhood and I was worried about getting attacked.
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People can't ban kitchen knives!! that is just ridiculous!! what are ya going to chop up your cheese and your beef with!?! if the people who decides this stuff carries on the way they're ging people will just end up living it little boxes safe from everything.... which isn't very fun because it's a box and you're by yourself.... they'll make people into hermits and that's just daft!!
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Hey lets ban anything that is pointy.... >(
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Removing the weapons will not remove the violence. Its will probably just result in some kind of black market kitchen knife trading... ::)
And will also result in me relocating sooner than I want to and you people don't want that, do you? :P
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I think people need to think outside the box of just banning stuff that people can do harm with and try and do something to stop people being so criminally... I don't know what but they should.... people will still find a way to kill people and be violent without point stuff!
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Hey lets ban anything that is pointy.... >(
They could ban windows...broken windows are pointy.
Let's see what else can be banned...
protractors
pencils
pens
sewing needles
box cutters
thumb tacks
gift cards
Christmas lights
cinema tickets (too pointy!)
books
tables
chairs
computers (guy in my class cut his leg on one!)
paper (paper cuts! very dangerous!)
bookmarks
notebooks
The possibilities for stupidity at the governmental level are endless, really. ::)
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Thing is, anything can be made pointy.
If it's not pointy to begin with, with work, it can be made into a pointy object.
Yeah there are some things that won't hurt you, like fabric (DEATH BY COTTON!!!) so yes, let's live in a world where we have nothing but our bare hands. Even with them, we can kill something by simply wrapping them round someones throat >(
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Hey lets ban anything that is pointy.... >(
They could ban windows...broken windows are pointy.
Let's see what else can be banned...
protractors
pencils
pens
sewing needles
box cutters
thumb tacks
gift cards
Christmas lights
cinema tickets (too pointy!)
books
tables
chairs
computers (guy in my class cut his leg on one!)
paper (paper cuts! very dangerous!)
bookmarks
notebooks
The possibilities for stupidity at the governmental level are endless, really. ::)
well if they do that.... no school because we won't have anything to write with or on!! ;D
It's completelty ridiculous that they're banning stuff like that... they need more police about that actually do heir job instead of just giving people speeding tickets for going just a few mph faster... and actualyl focus on real problems
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Let's ban hands! ;D
Yeah, police focus a lot on the little things. Speeding does kill (or, rather, the sudden crash), but so do drugs. Criminals, loose on the street. To borrow part of another phrase, knives don't kill people, people kill people.
Let's ban ourselves!
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Lol Mort, you could well be right. I agree that removing weapons
will not remove violence.
I don't see what this ban of kitchen knives is going to do. I don't
think that it's going to bring any good. Even if they do ban knives,
there is still going to be violence anyway.
About the situation of who's to blame, people would think that
youths would be to blame because they are acting irresponsibly
and if they did kill someone by using a knive then they'd be
responsible because they killed someone which is classed as
murder.
However, the government probably would be to blame
because they haven't done enough to tackle the problems that
crime do bring to society. Discipline perhaps should be another
thing that could be sorted out, bring back National Service or
something (yeah I know I sound silly for saying it but I don't care
and maybe it could sort out the problems).
Another point I'd like to add about the youths, I read in a paper
that youths do carry weapons for reasons such as self-defence
because they don't feel safe in their neighbourhood anymore.
I'll admit that I did carry a knife with me NOT because I thought
it was cool (I don't think it is cool), I carried a knife with me when
I'd go out because of self-defence because I didn't feel safe in my
neighbourhood and I was worried about getting attacked.
There is nothing wrong with wanting national service to be brought back in. It would be brilliant IMO and would soon help to sort young people's heads out.
I think your point about discipline is also correct. The problem does not lie with the knife, it lies with who is picking it up and using it. The government would do a lot better if it got to the root of the problem of the yobs and that lies in the home. These kids need teaching respect and conformity from the youngest age so that they can fit into society.
As a teacher I see the lack of respect and responsibility every day. I have to confront kids with their own behaviour and force them to take responsibility for it. To be fair, most of them respond. But you have a hard core of kids who blame their own behaviour on anyone but themselves. Why? Because they have heard this in the home and therefore they copy it.
The government would be far more effective if it picked up on inadequate parents and sent them into parenting classes so that they can bring their children up PROPERLY. Because THAT is the problem and until it is addressed nothing will improve. Just you watch! ::)
Instead they try to take things away .... dont they know the way to teach someone is to leave the object there and tell them NO! ::) Removing stuff out of reach doesnt teach zip! >(I mean THIS is back to basic parenting... even the GOVERNMENT cannot flippin do it! >(
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I have unveiled the government's scheme!!!!!!!
They plan to ban and ban to the point where you will even be banned from going outside of your house... in the future evolution will get rid of everything you don't use soooo you will lose your hands and feet and will morph bit by bit into a blob.
The whole blob thing is also aimed at changing then name of the country to United kingdom of Great Blobtain and Northern Ireland in an attempt to get rid of the bad reputation of Brits at sports, holiday making, and many etceteras.
Well ok maybe not the exact scheme but it could well happen ;D :P
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lol, yeah it might do!! I think the banning is just well daft myself!! I understand why they might be banning it... but it isn't going to get people anywhere.... it may lead to more jaw inmjuries becasue people have to cut things more with their teeth... people won't be able to chop up the meat to go into a stew or anything.... so it'll just be a massive hunk of beef in the stew!!
Murderous people may start making spears out fo trees and kill people with them.. so then the government will band trees... and then where would we be? We wouldn't be able to breathe!!
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Hey, you gotta have hands to pick up a weapon, so, like I said before, let's ban hands.
Just about anything on this planet can be used as a weapon. It all depends on the creativity of the wielder.
So I guess we should all just be...banned! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hey, you gotta have hands to pick up a weapon, so, like I said before, let's ban hands.
Just about anything on this planet can be used as a weapon. It all depends on the creativity of the wielder.
So I guess we should all just be...banned! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sounds like a sensible plan :laugh:
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Why, thank you, thank you.
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I can see the point about stabbings and so on... but if people are getting stabbed in drunken or domestic fights and they're going to use some kind of object as a weapon, what's stopping them from going for something else... a screwdriver or a pair of scissors instead, even if long knives were banned? Pretty much anything can be used as weapon, it doesn't have to be long and sharp.
This just sounds a bit like trying to cure a problem's symptoms rather than attacking the roots of it.
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A local restaurant here has been ordered to put all blades over 3" into a security locked box ::)
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That's the pinnacle of stupidity, but it happening here does not surprise me at all Gilly.
I mean imagine if you had to do like Chefs do when they are actually doing the proper stuff! You have your own suitcase of knives, as in your knives set and you don't leave it at the restaurant, you take it to work with you and back home... I suppose you would get done for carrying the tools of your trade then. :8o ::)
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So if fingers could be weapons, too...what do we violinists do?
(Yes, I am well aware that that rhymed. :laugh: But it was unintentional.)
No, seriously, why ban knives if the knives don't commit the crime themselves? Why don't the PEOPLE know better, huh? I mean, come on! In some ways, it just seems as if the government wants too much power sometimes.
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Banning kitchen knives, that's one of the stupidest things I have EVER heard of. :dry: What are they supposed to cut with, plastic knives?!
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No, not even those. One could cause...gasp!...a scratch. *shakes head at stupid politicians*
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i wonder if they truley think they'll accomplish anything by banning kitchen knives...
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Next they'll be banning bare hands ::)
Gotta love it when the gun control debate reaches it's ultimate conclusion, hehehehehe
well u can.. i suppose, if u know a martial art to a high enough degree...
because when u become an instructor, and u travel abroad.. you've gotta go and declare urself a leathal weapon in the embassy...
just so u know
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i wonder if they truley think they'll accomplish anything by banning kitchen knives...
That is the sickest thing about it though isnt it? The people who are most likely to cause trouble are the ones who wont take any notice of the ban anyway!!!!
It is control... the world has gone mad and want to control our every move! Just watch out for the cameras. :P
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Suppose this is an example of the old adege "Weapons don't kill people- people kill people. ???
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Suppose this is an example of the old adege "Weapons don't kill people- people kill people. ???
thats almost a quote from a queen song..
*clears throat,* "soz" :-\
ye instead of baning kitchen knives, y not just make the penalty for carryin, hiding / using 1 more severe.. and perform id poliece chechs on all who wanna purchace em.
even so ppl will never change, crime is alwaws gonna be there, nxt if this goes ahead, it'll be stabbings with forks. or rusty spoons lol.. :sw: :fr:
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Pah! I knew it...
Didn't I say they'd be after kitchen knives in that swords topic? And spoons...but that was a different reason...just taking the...yeah.
The government is ridiculous... Next they'll have us all walking round in bulletproof armour as a legal requirement, and they'll be putting foam coverings on animal horns!!
If this ban comes into place, I tell you what we'll end up using....When I worked in McDonalds, they had this big plastic green knife for cutting cabbages. It was quite a good knife for that, but as someone said...melons? I don't think so.
Remember those "guillotines" in school that cut paper? I bet they get banned next, so no one can trap their fingers...
Accidents will happen, and there's nothing we can do about it. Perhaps if they spent more time catching the criminals, stuff like this wouldn't happen. Most people who go around stabbing someone with a kitchen knife will already have a record of some sort. For normal people, we have to be pushed pretty far to even consider it... To do something like that, you must have a pretty short fuse, which usually means you'll at least have been involved in, say, a fight before.
The government should stress counselling and rehabilitation for aggressive offenders rather than banning the rest of us from using knives. I mean, come on - its not a case of the room of schoolkids throwing something then that person wont own up so they all get punished, is it? 9/10 times the offender is caught. So punish THEM.
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If the Government want to stop murders, it's not knives they have to ban but people.
Knives do not cuase stabbings, the person behind it does!
I rest my case :D And besides, they better not take my Dagger off me :sw:
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Icy...I dont think they CAN take your athame off of you...
..Thats religious discrimination.
They best not take mine :8o I have a beautiful pearl-handled one with one of Jonathon Earl Boswers paintings on the handle. Its pearl and gold with a silver blade, with decorative etchings.
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Yep, you can carry your Athame on you, in public too. If you quote a certain part of an act (forgot which one ???) it states anyone can carry a knife if its for their occupation or religious purposes :)