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Tolkien only Section => The languages, weapons, jewellery, & clothing of Middle-Earth => Topic started by: Taurendil on November 24, 2005, 06:03:40 PM

Title: Diaeresis
Post by: Taurendil on November 24, 2005, 06:03:40 PM

Not sure it is the right place to ask it here, but since you've mentioned this, taurё is a forest and -ndil means 'friend' or ' lover'. As far as I understand,  diaeresis is used to spell 'e' clearly. So there's no need in it in 'taurendil' since -ndil makes to spell 'e'? Have I got you right?

Title: Re: Chat and gallery
Post by: Mithrandir on November 26, 2005, 03:22:19 AM

Well, the diaeresis (sorry EG for digressing) isn't needed at all, really. It is just a mark to show to English speakers that the e sound they would usually ignore, is pronounced. So the word "taurё" has some on the e to indicate to pronounce it (as in English the temptation is to ignore it), but when it is in the middle of a word "Taurendil" it would be pronounced anyway so they are completely redundant.

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Hyllyn on November 26, 2005, 04:57:36 PM

 You are correct.

 And may I add it isn't mean to be pronounced Taoo-rE (E as in english but as in Pet)

 Happens with my surname all the time, perhaps I should put a diaeresis on the last 'e' before the 's'  ::)

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Taurendil on November 27, 2005, 03:51:19 AM

Thank you for correcting. The same thing happens in case of lomё - lomelinde.

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: EG on November 27, 2005, 04:27:25 AM

so not talking diaeresis at all... how would you say Tonpur ???  (not knowing if there are diaeresis in the word)

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Hyllyn on November 27, 2005, 08:12:50 AM

 Ton try to say it as tonne, and pur as poor.  So Tonne-poor.

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: EG on November 27, 2005, 03:35:16 PM

hmm... thanks Nil :D

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Taurendil on November 28, 2005, 12:30:45 AM

Shouldn't 'pur' sound shortly, not like 'poor'

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Hyllyn on November 28, 2005, 12:41:00 AM

 For english speakers the extended "oo" sound helps roll the "R" which is not a common phonem in english and is needed in these languages.

 So if you can pronounce your "r" rolled already shorten the "oo" as the extended phonem is written as "ó"

 

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: EG on November 28, 2005, 01:39:36 AM

thats wierd isnt it... I naturally rolled that r  hmmm..... its the "ton" that got me :-\

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Taurendil on November 29, 2005, 01:18:21 AM

Actually, in all languages of ME 'r' is always spelled clearly. So in movies words with 'r', such as MoRdoR, BoromiR, are very often not pronunced or rolled.

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Hyllyn on November 29, 2005, 02:55:28 AM

 Maybe the snow has got to my braisn today, but I don't think I get what you are saying.

 Are you saying that even tho it's obviously stated that the 'r' is rolled in the films they hardly make the effort?

 

Title: Re: Diaeresis
Post by: Taurendil on December 01, 2005, 05:23:48 PM

I've made a mistake...
I meant that in films actors usually didn't pronunce 'r' correctly, or ignored it as in English.